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The more I think about this one .... the one I think that I agree with Conner here. A couple things to think about: *Who truly owns the intellectual property of Conner football? (I am thinking that it is not Ryle). *It is the responsibility of the outside party to seek all proper permissions to tape at a location other than your own (meaning--it was the responsibility of Ryle's broadcast crew to gain permission to broadcast the game at Conner. *To take this further ... how many issues could occur by taping kids (without the permission of their parents)? *Are there rules from the KHSAA that speak to broadcasting events? (There is in Ohio and other states). *If I am a parent in this situation ... I am not so sure that I want my son/daughter filmed without my permission ... especially if that film ends up on the internet. On the other side of the fence: *Is it really that big of a deal? Depends on who you are and what you believe. *I would be more concerned about the widespread usage of hudl. Films can be traded/given at basically any time and without any effort. At the end of the day--it sounds like Conner played by the rules. If Ryle asked for permission to film and that permission was granted ... then they have a case. Otherwise--it falls on them to seek permission when going anywhere other than their home. That is on them ... not Conner.

By all means ... feel free. I am 100% sure that you were one of the ones who quickly believed the "spygate" story without getting facts. Otherwise ... PM me.

The problem is ... it should go somewhere. When people are allowed to blatantly lie about things that never happened ... it should be addressed frequently ... and it should not be forgotten. Not to mention ... there are plenty of witnesses on BOTH sides who admit that this never happened. The "real" issues on this subject where brought to light during a specific situation last week. Which again ... are completely pathetic.

And one that matters ... which is the truth. And why you would bring this up ... when you know better is beyond me.

Which NEVER HAPPENED .... but .. if you want to talk about that one ... PM me.

Ha, ha ... you guys are great! Before the end of the night ... we will both be talking about the 1920's! Great thread ... I will end my part with this ... Mayfield is EXTREMELY respected (as are every opponent that the Red and White Tigers face). That will never change from this end. Both sets of fans are extremely intelligent and dedicated to their programs. That is a GREAT THING! Right/wrong/indifferent .... our state is significantly better for having Class A programs like the ones mentioned (not just Beechwood, Mayfield, etc). Teams like Frankfort, Raceland, LCA, Louisville Holy Cross (and the many others that I am not mentioning) are constantly raising the bar for smaller schools in our state. That is something that all of us obviously take great pride in .... and that thought alone will allow me to walk away from this conversation with nothing but good feelings.

Guess what ... Beechwood had strong teams from 91 to 99 .... which is again ... something you can not say. You are correct on the 5-0 part. However ... keep in mind ... when Beechwood is really good ... you guys may as well be Casper. You can't say the same thing about the 'Wood (at least you get to play us ... you guys are not even in the picture when we are really good). Which again ... speaks to End of Story. Fine by me ... you keep setting them up ... I will keep knocking them down.

PROVE IT ....

I agree completely. However ... I am 100% sure that playing for 8 (and winning 7) is better.

Emotional? again ... clueless is the word that comes to mind. The way I see it ... is that you are being you ... I am being me. You prove your integrity with this statement: " I was very careful to not push any of your buttons after last years loss and left you guys alone until this season so I do hope you see I was considerate to high emotions while the wounds were fresh" Guess what ... pretty sure you did nothing with the intent that you mentioned ... simply because I was not on this board at the time ... and you knew that. That is not me being emotional ... it is you not being honest (I am sure that the game against Hazard certainly helped slow down some of your normal line of conversation as well .. and that had absolutely nothing to do with me). One thing I know for sure ... you are the hunted right now. Beechwood has been the hunted in the past. I would be very interested to compare the handling of the posters on this site when the situations were reversed. I would be willing to bet it was not anywhere near as arrogant as it is right now.

And again ... we are finally getting to the main issue. You guys hate the fact that Beechwood was as successful as they were in the 90's. You hate the fact that people still associate that with Beechwood ... and intend to let everyone know that you guys would have done better. Well ... guess what ... you did beat them one time in the 90's in the championship game. But ... lets go a little further .. you were not in Class A for only one year (it had to be at least 2) ... where were you? I guarantee that the 'Wood was in the championship game during the other year you could have faced them. What you fail to remember ... is that there may have been 1 time in the 90's stretch was Beechwood was favored to win the championship. Yet ... they beat teams that were supposed to be significantly better. I am not sure why you think you would have beat them then .... but right now ... you have no factual data that can prove that. It comes down to the fact that you guys can't stand that Mayfield is not the first team out of everyone's mouth when it comes to Class A football. That's great. I love it that you guys are that way. Please .. don't change ... because that is what makes Class A great. But at the same time ... there has to be a point where the FACTs DO GET IN THE WAY OF A GOOD ARGUMENT.

Even so .... with Beechwood being on the "decline" ... they are still making it to round 4 at the very worst. I will take those 3 years ... over getting to round 3 and getting destroyed 2 times. (And yes .. I know the scores ... and it does not begin to speak to how bad you guys were). Funny thing is ... we never decreased our opinion of your program. That is respect .... you know .. something you guys crow about all the time?

NO offense TP (because for once .. your posts are more balanced than they ever have been). You can not use head to head ... do you know why? Because in 2007 and 2008 ... Beechwood did not get to play you head to head. Do you remember why? Because you got beat (and rest assured .. you would have gotten beat if you would have played Beechwood in 2007 or 2008 ... and .. in 2006). Your logic speaks to only using the most recent results ... which is definitely true as of right now. However .. that is not the question.

I should be quoting MHSCardinal here ... but .... to me .. this post describes the situation pretty well also ... The issue for Mayfield folks comes to one simple point ... THEY HATE THE BEECHWOOD GETS MORE ATTENTION ON THIS MESSAGE BOARD. Come on Snake ... decline? What are you freaking smoking? Lets not forget ... your program was a JOKE in 2007 and 2008. Your fans were ready to HANG your coach. Has that happened in the Fort? Probably NOT. Conversely ... everyone from Beechwood realizes that this is a tough year ... yet ... they are honest and realistic about the program. If this is what you consider decline ... you have completely lost your perspective. It has nothing to do with other teams .... it has to do with that one point. End of story. Well guys ... all I will say is this ... you have a great program and you should be very comfortable about that fact. But your posts honestly say it all (and ... please understand ... we understand how good you are). That is really all that matters.

A couple quick thoughts: *2nd reserve win for Beechwood (2-3 on the season) *There is a very good chance that Beechwood and Mayfield will move up to AA with the next alignment. *Beechwood would very much like to move up to AA. *No clue what the future will bring for the current freshman class ... right now they are handling their schedule. I am sure that the expectations will grow or subside based on their performance. *Coach Burnett is a great man and a great coach (I have met some who disagree ... but they have generally been clueless and base their decisions on things that they have "heard". If people don't like him .. that is their problem). Back to the game ... both teams played hard. The future looks bright for Cooper (wow .. they have great size .. and plenty of fight).

Definitely occurred after the freshman season. Bankemper played freshman and also dressed during season. The other two may have as well (and maybe a few others if I remember correctly). Menetrey is the only one that I can really remember starting varsity during his freshman season.

Dustin Menetrey was the most recent Varsity Starter as a freshman (for the entire season). I think Max may have started a game his freshman year as well (just a few at the most).

Ha, ha! Touche'!!!

Come on Birdsfan ... quit bringing FACTS to this conversation!!!

1. Everyone who has a clue on this website knows who I am (pretty sure I don't hide behind any thing). 2. I am in the 10% .. thanks for making another uninformed statement that draws attention to what is TRULY important in Paintsville (which is obviously not the effort of the student athletes who represent Johnson Central High School). 3. You obviously care ... or you would have sat back, laughed and never responded. As I said before ... I have no clue why you are celebrating a person who disrespects the efforts of the the student athletes that he is responsible for with these types of comments. If you want to defend that ... that is your problem. Not mine .. or anyone else here. You can keep setting them up .... and I will keep knocking them down ..... (just try to make it a little harder next time--I am bored).

And at the same time ... it does not change what Matney said. Matney does this stuff to himself. His words and actions are where all disrespect is located .. .not on the program or kids who represent Johnson Central. I will never understand this: *The players at Johnson Central are as tough and hard-nosed as they come and play their hearts out. *Then the head coach disrespects their effort by pulling the "recruiting/cheating" card and the "we are not respected" card. No one will ever convince me as to how that makes sense.

A couple things here ... *There are a few smaller schools with restrictions in NKY. *There is at least one team (Class A) that has no restrictions ... I don't think they heard from you. *If Highlands or Cov Cath would have played Ironton and beat them ... it would be about the same response as they have for a normal game (meaning .. plenty of talk ... but nothing out of the ordinary). *Every time I hear the "no respect" act from Northeastern Kentucky ... you lose a little more respect from guys like me. (How many Beechwood fans have you seen who have offered the "no respect" card this season? ... None). And let me tell you ... it still works well without the talk. You guys (Raceland) have done a great job of building up your program. Do yourself a favor .. and not do anything that puts yourself in the same light as the "coach" in question. (And to answer that one ... I think anyone who knows anything about Johnson Central RESPECTS the program, and most importantly, the kids who play there. What I don't understand .. is why the coach seems to think that these types of comments do anything for the level of respect that he receives). Not to mention ... the whole "Smashmouth" football thing. People read that ... and wonder. It is great to be proud of what you do ... but smash mouth to some of us is different based on what part of the state you are in. Hopefully .. you don't take this as bad conversation ... but the "no respect" crap gets old. If anything ... there are consistent powers that spend a lot more time on your program than you will ever begin to imagine (just like with Mayfield, FRANKFORT, Etc).

Ha, ha..... I bet you would! Now ... if you trade me one of yours .... I am sure we could trade one of ours!

Here it is (it is the 2nd Play after the Nussbaum hit). http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2026620/highlights/21776707

I agree that it was hard to see at this angle. If you follow 42's Right arm from the time he starts to get up ... it is pretty obvious. During the game ... I was on the front side of the play ... and it was a very solid attempt at a punch. I also see the walk that you mention (which also looked different on the front side of the play). It is what it is ... and it isn't really worth more conversation than that.