Coach Hard

What I love about Estill Co., is that they pass when they want to, and not when the defense dictates them to. That running game is so effective, it allows for a less than average QB to kill opponents with a playaction or bootleg.

Not so fast sweetheart....I'm sorry, but we gotta throw Campbellsville into the East bracket contenders. Last year was mostly sophmores and juniors. They could be a threat to the big boys out of the east. Ram, where's the love? You were giving them top 10 earlier. Do you know something I don't??!!

WOW:ylsuper: CUT BLOCK GOES OLD SCHOOL!!! Yep, those were some good ones too! I'll never forget that playoff game in 97 against Harrodsburg. C-ville came up short, but man what a game! Those little dogs from C-ville came right after Yeast and Johnson and didn't back down. Watching the small battles on the field, it looked like those two were less than expected. Either that or the C-ville boys played beyond themselves. Oh, and you forgot the R n' R express of Richardson and Raganas!!! And I know I left off some serious players from that year. Some others I would add to laying the foundation for the success of the 90s would be Big Jon Thompson, Chad Deener (still the meanest QB ever at C-ville), and Timmy Mays.

C-ville will be handing out the slooperknockers come district, BROTHER!!!! WHAT'S THE DISTRICT GONNA DO WHEN THE LARGEST ARMS IN THE DISTRICT RUN WILD ON YOU!!!! Just having fun with it guys. This was a fun thread, thanks to all that posted!!!! SINGLE A FOOTBALL RULES BABY!!!!

You listed some good ones. Honestly though, who laid the foundation for that group? What about Kimbler, Leachman, Fisher, the Taylor brothers, Fair, and McCarty? Those where some good ones.

I imagine Estill county will also give some carries to another freshman that is coming up this year, that may be even more impressive than #10 was during his freshman campaign. I saw the kid play as an 8th grader, and he like #10 in 8th grade was a man among boys. Good hard nosed runner, with enough speed for the double wing.

That's the kid who had the crazy sophmore year down in Clay County isn't it?

Ooops...got UFC on the brain I guess. Rich Franklin is the "Ace" and former light heavyweight champion. Tony Franklin is the system I was making reference to. Thanks barrel

I'm from the 90s teams. Who knows, maybe they can break our defensive records. They've got a lot of talent. Honestly, they are a lot bigger than we were, and probably have more speed. We were just scrappy and had good leaders. Maybe if they can establish a team toughness early, who knows what can happen.

Sounds like the college coach is a little behind on looking for athletes. Would it really matter what system a kid came from? An athlete is an athlete, is an athlete. That's just ridiculous. If a kid is worthy of playing at the college level, shouldn't he be capable of picking up a new system? Isn't it the coach's job to teach his system? That's just absurd! When recruiting a kid, I would look for my ideal size, performance, GRADES, stats (not game stats, but strength and speed), and then the intangibles. Does he make good decisions? Is he tough? Is he a WINNER? If that coach's philosophy were the right one, then only QBs coming out of the Rich Franklin system would be 'worthy' of recruiting. That burns me up. I've seen kids play QB in the Wing-T, Single Wing, and double wing, that I believe would be excellent college players.

Didn't hurt Tim Biakkabatuka...man I know I misspelled it, yall remember that cat that played for Michigan. He came from a DW high school.

I think the biggest problems with these offenses is not the players or coaches on the sidelines. I think a lot of people don't do it for fear of all the coaches in the stands and in the administration. Everybody "knows" football. Heck, they watch it every weekend. So that makes them card carrying members of the KHSAA football coaching association!! I would love to see more of it at the high school level! SW is really cool with the unbalanced, crazy spinning stuff, but I'm a DW fan. I'd gladly go watch either on a Friday night.

I wouldn't call it cultist...maybe a collection of like minded folks, that are convinced they are right, share a common connection, and...wait, yeah, cult probably works :ylsuper: Hello, my name is Coach Hard...and I'm a Double Winger, and memeber of Double Wingers Annonymous.:fight:

I don't know anyone who would say it was "their base offense", but like Barrel said, the WVUesque/Florida style spread that teams are running with their speed has deep roots in the Single Wing. Like I said on the Double Wing thread, I think if someone ran the Single Wing exclusively, it would be Hades to try and defend, jsut because of the unfamiliarity.

Does nobody think you could suit up Larkey and put him on the line? I be he'd be nasty!! HAHAHA...if only we could all get those days back.

Yep, not uncommon to hear them called "sniffer" as a slang amoung DW coaches. Now, when explaining it to others (non DWers) they will still call them FBs. Sniffer is like a "pet name." But when you're coaching the FB, you let him know that he should be able to tell if the QB has gas or not:lol: Like it was mentioned earlier, they don't have to be that close. On some formations they may be deeper, or even lined up next to the QB directly beihnd the Guard. But nothing is cooler than a sniffer.:banana:

Barrell brings up a great point. True double wing is a system, and not just a formation. Yes, guys like Murphy and others have implimented variations with their backs and TEs, but the "core" is essentially the same. I think a lot of the success that it has right now is coming from this being kinda "weird." Think about it...defenses prepare week in and week out for spread, I, option, wing-t, veer...but for the most part the DW is completely foreign to them. That's why I love it. It is old school, but new all in the same package. Has tons of defensive misconceptions, that a good DW team will take advantage of. All those bodies flying around in a confined space is backwards from what most folks are leaning toward with the growing popularity of the Spread, which as it has been stated has a lot of its roots in single wing. I guess it is a lot like when folks in college have to prepare to play Navy or Air Force. You here ol' Lou Holtz talk about it all the time, on how while he was at ND, they had to spend so much focusing on each individuals assignment because it was so unique. So much time has to focused on stopping something that you just don't see a lot of. Which gives teams like Navy and Air Force an advantage, even though they have lesser caliber athletes. Now I realize they don't run the DW, but it is just a comparison for the high school situation. It allows lesser athletes to have greater success.

If it is the true Double Wing, we're talking about foot to foot splits, a Fullback in the sniffer position (about 6 inches behind the QB), built off of running the ball like crazy with just a handful of core running plays. Anything else, is just variations of run and shoot, wing-t, and veer. I'm assuming that Born2Reign is referring to the true Double Wing that Estill runs, and not the double slots that some of the others are referring to.

I'm not sure on this one, but I believe one of the Muhlenberg schools runs it. Great offense for smaller, blue collar, schools. I'm a huge fan of it, but I honestly think a lot of schools are very leary about running it, simply because a lot of people don't get it. I think a lot of schools either want to see what they see on Saturdays and Sundays, or if they want a smashmouth style, they expect to see the wishbone and I formations of the 70s.

Slapfest, I understand your point. But man, we've got to just let this go. What's done is done. Cooksey is a good guy, and that's the last I'm posting on this to defend him. We're taking up too much space on here debating the situation. Was it right that G was let go? Of course not, I've already stated my opinion on the matter. Can we honestly say it was crooked and hold that over Cooksey? That's a pretty unfair also. Just let it be. Support the program, and move on.

I sure will!!!

Talked with Coach Cooksey Friday. He was really excited and surprised. When I asked him about his interview, he seemed pretty unsure and didn't have a great feel for it. I'm always happy to see an assistant get his chance, especially at such a high level. He's a great guy. He lets some of the comments on here roll off his back, a good sign of a sound and confident coach. Congrats to Coach Cooksey!

Regardless of how everyone feels...it is over, the decision has been made. The best thing that we can do is be supportive of Coach Cooksey and the program he is going to try and continue to make successful.

Robbie Cooksey is a good man. I agree with nWo. Give the guy a chance. I hate the fact that Coach G got it taken away from him like he did. But honestly guys, there is no way this happened because of Cooksey. He and G are friends, not just coworkers that coached together. He wouldn't be a part of something that would hurt G. I think Cooksey was as surprised as anyone.

Downs is the one I was thinking of. He just needs to add a little toughness. He already has all the physcial tools. I really like the Altman kid. Reminds me of some C-ville guys from back in my day. Tough, hard-nosed, utility guy!! This could be a team that breaks a few of my generation's records!