I am going to again disagree. It's videotaped - you don't have to worry about someone spinning your words when they have been recorded. It didn't have to be elaborate or even eloquent. A simple "I'd like to apologize for hitting Kenny Frease and injuring him. I sincerely hope he recovers quickly and I wish him the best." Come on. That's difficult? .

 

As someone who worked in the biz, I can tell you unequivocally that these things get cut (and therefore edited) all the time. We don't live in a press conference world...it's sound bites. Say a cameraman from Channel 9 attends the presser, goes back to the station and boils the whole thing down to one or two :10 to :15 second clips for Dennis Jansen to use in his five o'clock report. And that's what the average Joe in Cincinnati sees and hears at home. And to make matters worse, that same package of clips gets fed up the chain to ABC (and subsequently ESPN)...and guess what everyone else in the nation sees??? The same thing. So, it doesn't take much for things to be spun out of control, depending on what clips were taken, and what the anchor's lead-in is. That's why you often have people saying things were taken out of context.

 

And yes, you CAN phrase things so that it makes it very difficult to edit out the context in which things were said...but, then you're getting down to "crafting" a response, instead of just giving your feelings. So, do you want to sound contrived, or have the possibility of having your comments spun? It's a lose-lose situation there.

 

And quite frankly, if there is any apologizing that needs to be done, it needs to be done one on one (face to face, or more likely over the phone). It doesn't need to be done through the media, in my opinion.

As someone who worked in the biz, I can tell you unequivocally that these things get cut (and therefore edited) all the time. We don't live in a press conference world...it's sound bites. Say a cameraman from Channel 9 attends the presser, goes back to the station and boils the whole thing down to one or two :10 to :15 second clips for Dennis Jansen to use in his five o'clock report. And that's what the average Joe in Cincinnati sees and hears at home. And to make matters worse, that same package of clips gets fed up the chain to ABC (and subsequently ESPN)...and guess what everyone else in the nation sees??? The same thing. So, it doesn't take much for things to be spun out of control, depending on what clips were taken, and what the anchor's lead-in is. That's why you often have people saying things were taken out of context.

 

And yes, you CAN phrase things so that it makes it very difficult to edit out the context in which things were said...but, then you're getting down to "crafting" a response, instead of just giving your feelings. So, do you want to sound contrived, or have the possibility of having your comments spun? It's a lose-lose situation there.

 

And quite frankly, if there is any apologizing that needs to be done, it needs to be done one on one (face to face, or more likely over the phone). It doesn't need to be done through the media, in my opinion.

 

Well said...

Mack apologized to Mick and the UC community on his show tonight.

Who did we call a thug when the Reds and Cards brawled? I can't find the thread.

I'm a big fan of UC football coach Butch Jones. He needs to shut down a few of his players' Twitter accounts. They, too, are making fools of themselves like Tu did. Just shut up.

As I've said on here many times I'm a huge Twitter guy. Love it for getting news.

 

The bad side is what we're now seeing in regards to comments made to Chris Mack, Yancy Gates, Tu, and I'm guessing Mick Cronin.

 

Unfortunately, you can't regulate against morons.

As I've said on here many times I'm a huge Twitter guy. Love it for getting news.

 

The bad side is what we're now seeing in regards to comments made to Chris Mack, Yancy Gates, Tu, and I'm guessing Mick Cronin.

 

Unfortunately, you can't regulate against morons.

 

If you ask Holloway that's what they were trying to do on Saturday.......

I just looked him up on Google. I was right, he is a rapper. Or apparently, was. Wasn't aware he died a while back. I still get some props, right?

 

Props, no. A prop, sure.

As someone who worked in the biz, I can tell you unequivocally that these things get cut (and therefore edited) all the time. We don't live in a press conference world...it's sound bites. Say a cameraman from Channel 9 attends the presser, goes back to the station and boils the whole thing down to one or two :10 to :15 second clips for Dennis Jansen to use in his five o'clock report. And that's what the average Joe in Cincinnati sees and hears at home. And to make matters worse, that same package of clips gets fed up the chain to ABC (and subsequently ESPN)...and guess what everyone else in the nation sees??? The same thing. So, it doesn't take much for things to be spun out of control, depending on what clips were taken, and what the anchor's lead-in is. That's why you often have people saying things were taken out of context.

 

And yes, you CAN phrase things so that it makes it very difficult to edit out the context in which things were said...but, then you're getting down to "crafting" a response, instead of just giving your feelings. So, do you want to sound contrived, or have the possibility of having your comments spun? It's a lose-lose situation there.

 

And quite frankly, if there is any apologizing that needs to be done, it needs to be done one on one (face to face, or more likely over the phone). It doesn't need to be done through the media, in my opinion.

 

Fair enough. You're in the business so I won't question your knowledge at all. But ultimately, I still think you and GT are making a simple apology way too difficult and conspiratorial. Somehow they managed to get out their apologies to everyone else in the world without any problems, but to add one other person (Frease) or group (XU) would be dangerous to do? Sorry, just don't buy it.

 

Like I said, I liked the apology news conference. I like what Cronin says and how he says it. I think UC overall has handled the situation a little better than XU. I just think they needed to take it the extra step.

I work directly with teens. Dealing with these young adults is very challenging and rewarding at the same time. We love them when they do great things, and love them when they do stupid things. I still hold the kids accountable for the things they do. Part of what makes me good at what I do is I am willing to forgive the kids for their mistakes. As for the XU and UC players, I find no satisfaction in blanket apologies. Yancy and all the others do not know me. I only know them as basketball players. Please do not apologize to me as a community member. My life is pretty much the same as before Saturdays game. When I deal with the teens, I make them apologize. There is something about humbling yourself to your peers that is quite effective. I think Mick missed with not allowing contact between the two teams. If the players really felt sorry, then let the ones involved hear it.

I describe it as thuggish behavior, based on my own definition of the word. I used the same word to describe the Pacers/Pistons brawl. I used the word to describe how Cousins sometimes played @ UK--namely the UL game when he gave a cheap-shot to Swopshire. To answer Clyde's question about the Reds/Cardinals, I felt Chris Carpenter & Cueto (or whoever it was that spiked LaRue) acted that way. Sue from the Detroit Lions.

 

To me, being thuggish is you're more interested in fighting than competing...you take cheap shots while fighting.

 

Perhaps my definition is more loose than others, but that's how I see it. And I don't think it necessarily means that these guys are by nature thugs. But their demeanor/behavior on the court is sometimes thuggish.

I work directly with teens. Dealing with these young adults is very challenging and rewarding at the same time. We love them when they do great things, and love them when they do stupid things. I still hold the kids accountable for the things they do. Part of what makes me good at what I do is I am willing to forgive the kids for their mistakes. As for the XU and UC players, I find no satisfaction in blanket apologies. Yancy and all the others do not know me. I only know them as basketball players. Please do not apologize to me as a community member. My life is pretty much the same as before Saturdays game. When I deal with the teens, I make them apologize. There is something about humbling yourself to your peers that is quite effective. I think Mick missed with not allowing contact between the two teams. If the players really felt sorry, then let the ones involved hear it.

 

Unless the young adults you are dealing with have every word they say in a situation like this judged, cut, edited and used at the whim of national media, it just isn't the same. Take a look at the last 5 days leading up to and after the game for more proof than imaginable.

 

There will be contact between the two teams before too long. It cannot and should not happen until things cool way down and some distance is placed between the programs and the brawl. Mick talked today about being willing to work with X in community service opportunities going forward. It will happen, but right now is not the time...

Unless the young adults you are dealing with have every word they say in a situation like this judged, cut, edited and used at the whim of national media, it just isn't the same. Take a look at the last 5 days leading up to and after the game for more proof than imaginable.

 

There will be contact between the two teams before too long. It cannot and should not happen until things cool way down and some distance is placed between the programs and the brawl. Mick talked today about being willing to work with X in community service opportunities going forward. It will happen, but right now is not the time...

 

The young people I work with have way more to be angry about than trashtalking college athletes. They are not getting a free ride in college as student athletes which comes with "perks" (clothing, food allowances, housing,...). Yet, I do not allow them to make excuses. "Tu cant play on my team". Get real! This guy is waiting on a million dollar pay day from the NBA. Should I feel sorry that he has to trash talk to the UC bench? You cant have it both ways; play ball in the publics eye at a major college, yet be offended by criticism and the media.

The young people I work with have way more to be angry about than trashtalking college athletes. They are not getting a free ride in college as student athletes which comes with "perks" (clothing, food allowances, housing,...). Yet, I do not allow them to make excuses. "Tu cant play on my team". Get real! This guy is waiting on a million dollar pay day from the NBA. Should I feel sorry that he has to trash talk to the UC bench? You cant have it both ways; play ball in the publics eye at a major college, yet be offended by criticism and the media.

 

Way to take every word I posted out of context. No need to continue...

Unless the young adults you are dealing with have every word they say in a situation like this judged, cut, edited and used at the whim of national media, it just isn't the same. Take a look at the last 5 days leading up to and after the game for more proof than imaginable.

 

There will be contact between the two teams before too long. It cannot and should not happen until things cool way down and some distance is placed between the programs and the brawl. Mick talked today about being willing to work with X in community service opportunities going forward. It will happen, but right now is not the time...

 

So are you expecting the media to cut, edit, paste, judge the apology to everyone else (teammates, coaches, school, students, fans, public)? Or is the Frease/Xavier the only group you would expect them to distort? That's the part of your explanation I don't buy. Heck, if you're that concerned about your apology being twisted, release a written apology. I just think a public (not personal) apology by the teams/involved players to one another now would go a long way to helping heal this situation.

 

I do agree that a personal meeting between the players is a bit too soon. Emotions are still a touch raw for something like that. It would be pretty cool if eventually they could work together at some type of community service event. I think that would restore a ton of good will with the public regarding the Shootout in the future.