Weather does play a part in in more so in baseball.

Until the cold weather teams refuse to play at a warm weather school without getting a reurn home game things will not change.

 

You mean like Alabama demolishing Penn State @State this year? Or how about LSU beating WVU into a living pulp in God's garbage dump? :ohbrother:

Weather does play a part in in more so in baseball.

Until the cold weather teams refuse to play at a warm weather school without getting a reurn home game things will not change.

That really has no bearing unless you schedule that particular game in late October or later. By then your deep in to conference play and not looking to take on anyone else. Not sure what that really has to do with winning a national title.

That really has no bearing unless you schedule that particular game in late October or later. By then your deep in to conference play and not looking to take on anyone else. Not sure what that really has to do with winning a national title.

It has absolutely nothing to do with it. It is simply nwcf's sad attempt at taking a shot at the SEC again. And like every other time he will be MIA after he is proven to be 100% wrong. Same old song and dance.

How many "cold climate teams" have made it to the championship game?

Without looking it up I think three: Nebraska, Ohio State, and Oregon.

 

P.S. I'm not putting Oklahoma in the cold climate, though I can see the case for it.

Has nothing to do with playing in a dome / warm climate and has everything to do with kids not wanting to go to places where it's 10 degrees in Dec. Why do you think Nebraska is no longer relevent? Would you rather go to South Beach or Nebraska?

 

:thumb: I think this is the main reason.

I know it is a touchy subject but the ability to oversign recuits has played more of a role in the Southern teams being more dominante than the climate has. There are plenty of great athletes thoughout the country, just cause you were born in Florida does not make you faster. Check out the recruiting numbers for the last 4 years for Alabama, LSU and OSU according to http://oversigning.com/testing/index.php/recruiting-numbers/ It is pretty obvious the difference in the programs; Alabama -113 recruits, LSU 105 recruits and OSU 78 recruits. I am not saying the SEC teams are breaking any rules or anything like that but the main difference in the programs are the number of players to choose from. On an average over the last 4 years, Alabama has signed 8.75 more players per year more than OSU. I think the NCAA needs to regulate this to create more of an even playing field. I know I will probably get blasted for posting this but I really don't think the climant has anything to do with the SEC's success. The players they are able to recruit and the sytle of football they play is why they are successfull.

As long as the current system stays in place. Those are the words of one of my best friends, who just happens to be a huge Ohio State fan. He claims the current system favors warm climate schools, and that as long as the current system remains in place, and the BCS championship is always played in a dome or a warm climate city, the colder climate schools will be at a huge disadvantage. What does everyone think of his logic?

I disagree. I believe that with Uran Meyer and hs ability to evaluate talent, recruit and with him being close to the Florida,Georgia and other southern states that are so full of top tler talent plus speed (especially on defense and he D and O line play) that you will see tOSU dominate the Big10 and then other Big10 schools to up/turn their recriiting to more speed focused as well.

Is jmo that OSU will compete for if not win the Big10 next seaon (there is alot of talent already there) and within three years or sooner be right there in position to win anther National Chamionship.

I will disagree on several fronts. First, just take a look at the NFL. We have had teams from New England, Green Bay, Chicago, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, New York and Denver, all who play a longer schedule that takes in more of the elements of December and January, have success in the postseason. Yes, homefield advantage may have worked in their favor up through the conference championship games...but, they're either in a warm weather climate or dome for the Super Bowl.

 

Also, I think there's the perception that "cold weather climate" means pretty much the Big Ten and the Big East. Most people automatically associate the SEC, Big 12, Pac 12 (and even to many, the ACC) with warm weather. So, you're comparing four conferences to two? Most people will say 2-1 odds are pretty good. Now, when you start looking at the schools that might have be contenders in each of those conferences, and it becomes much, much wider. But, that doesn't mean that it's a 100% certainty.

It sounds like an excuse to me........

What does everyone think of his logic?

 

IMO his logic is flawed. No argument that the SEC schools are on top right now and have been for most of the 90s, but that wasn’t always the case and team dominance ebbs and flows with a few elite programs normally rising to the top every few years. Alabama has always been one of those teams, so has USC, OSU, Oklahoma, Texas, Michigan, and the list goes on. To say a “cold weather team” will never win again is completely wrong IMO and will be proven within the next few years.

I will disagree on several fronts. First, just take a look at the NFL. We have had teams from New England, Green Bay, Chicago, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, New York and Denver, all who play a longer schedule that takes in more of the elements of December and January, have success in the postseason. Yes, homefield advantage may have worked in their favor up through the conference championship games...but, they're either in a warm weather climate or dome for the Super Bowl.

 

Also, I think there's the perception that "cold weather climate" means pretty much the Big Ten and the Big East. Most people automatically associate the SEC, Big 12, Pac 12 (and even to many, the ACC) with warm weather. So, you're comparing four conferences to two? Most people will say 2-1 odds are pretty good. Now, when you start looking at the schools that might have be contenders in each of those conferences, and it becomes much, much wider. But, that doesn't mean that it's a 100% certainty.

 

 

You can't compare the NFL to the BCS because the NFL has a playoff system where the warm climate teams have to travel to the cold climate teams if they are a lower seed.

You can't compare the NFL to the BCS because the NFL has a playoff system where the warm climate teams have to travel to the cold climate teams if they are a lower seed.

 

:thumb:

 

The only similarity is that the Super Bowl is always played in warm places, but even that is changing.

 

I agree with 4chs. It sounds like an excuse to me. I don't feel like nice, warm weather particularly benefits anybody. I do not believe it is a difficult adjustment to play in nice, warm weather. I believe it is much more difficult to do the opposite, so if anything, the warm weather sites may eliminate a potential advantage for cold weather teams. However, it isn't cold when the season starts, so it's not like they spend their entire season in sub-zero temperatures.

 

I'm not buying this argument. Ohio State themselves are proof against it. They beat a superior Miami in the Fiesta Bowl for the National Championship. If the weather was that big of a deal, how on earth did they pull of that upset?

 

Florida, LSU, Alabama and Auburn haven't combined to win 5 titles in a row (and 6 of the last 8) because the bowl sites favor southern teams with warm sites. They've won because they've simply been better than their opponents, and in most cases, definitively better. They have dominated all teams without discrimination. I don't consider Oklahoma a cold weather team and they've been dominated just as bad as the Buckeyes. Alabama beat Texas 37-21.

 

I don't know if OSU will win another title or not. Forever is a long time, so I'll play the odds and say that they will. Regardless, I don't believe the weather will keep them from it.

 

If Meyer still has the same drive, then they probably couldn't have made a better hire. But, I don't think Urban will have it as good as he did at Florida. Assuming he gets the players he wants in place to run his offense, I am interested to see how the rest of the Big Ten responds to the Buckeyes suddenly becoming a spread-option, aggressive, high octane offense. He has a chance to thoroughly dominate the conference, because I believe the other teams will struggle to defend Meyer's offense...if he gets the right QB and the speed on the outside. They were pretty dominant in the conference when the opened things up with Troy Smith and the talent around him. Imagine if Meyer was the guy running that show instead of the conservative Tressel.

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You can't compare the NFL to the BCS because the NFL has a playoff system where the warm climate teams have to travel to the cold climate teams if they are a lower seed.

 

As I stated, the homefield advantage a cold climate team may have, may get them through the confererence championship game. I'm not disputing that. But to say that a team built for that (cold weather) like Denver or Pittsburgh, can't compete with an indoor/warm weather team like Atlanta or Arizona in the Super Bowl at a warm weather or indoor site at the Super Bowl is bull. Isn't that what the original question was? Whether a team from a cold weather climate could compete against a warm weather team in a warm weather climate for the championship game??

Doesn't OSU have an indoor practice facility?

There facilities are up there with the best in the country. Ohio is also loaded with football talent each year so if he locks down the state and get the best players in ohio and then add a few out of state prospects each year he should have no problem competing at the highest level.