I think one thing that helped him there was he was honest about it. But your point brings me back to the Clinton point I was making. If it was no big deal for Obama, why a big deal for Palin?

Obama wrote candidly about his experiences long before he was a presidential contender. Pretty big difference in how they are coming out. Though I'll continue with my assertion that it's a bigger deal for Palin simply because she brought it on herself for it to be a bigger deal.

 

I wanna say that it's not what Palin did that's an issue at all for me. I'd vote for a casual cocaine user today...seriously.

I think we all know I don't think it's a big deal for Palin. She deserves some credit for debunking the old "once you go black....." myth. Shoot, that's impressive.

 

 

Wasn't Glen Rice like 6'7" or 6'8" too? Goodness gracious......:eek:

They have to discuss this on Mythbusters.

Obama wrote candidly about his experiences long before he was a presidential contender. Pretty big difference in how they are coming out. Though I'll continue with my assertion that it's a bigger deal for Palin simply because she brought it on herself for it to be a bigger deal.

 

I wanna say that it's not what Palin did that's an issue at all for me. I'd vote for a casual cocaine user today...seriously.

I don't buy the "she brought it on herself" excuse for many. I believe you, I believe JS, I don't think that's the case with a lot of others though. I think it's simply because she's not someone they back or is a Dem. AND before someone tries....I don't back Palin, I would NOT vote for he if she ran.

I don't buy the "she brought it on herself" excuse for many. I believe you, I believe JS, I don't think that's the case with a lot of others though. I think it's simply because she's not someone they back or is a Dem.

Now that I can agree with.

"I tried it but didn't inhale", "I did not have sex with that woman, Ms Lewinski (sp?)"--Yup, Bill's no hypocrite??? :ohbrother:

 

Just a liar-plain and simple...

I think the actual quote was "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms. Lewinski."

 

You can make an argument that technically, he was correct on that, but I'm not going there.

 

Bottom line ... I'm really not that concerned about what politicians do in their private life, as long as it doesn't interfere with how they perform their job. Whatever Sarah Palin may or may not have done with Glen Rice or her husband's business partner, I don't really care. Did it cause a problem with how she carried out her duties on her half-term of governor? Doubtful.

 

But if you portray yourself as a family-values politician, you have to be ready to accept the fallout if it turns out that you've been morally or ethically challenged yourself.

No, and no. What FKYW said is what I meant — when they pander to family values and screw up, they're not living up to the standards they have projected, and they are therefore hypocrites.

 

Well in that case. If you have drank underage, you can not preach about not drinking underage. When you smoke cigs or pot, you cannot preach about not smoking cigs or pot. When you have told a little white lie to your parents, you cannot get mad at your kids for doing the same. If you had an affair with another person, you cannot get mad at someone for doing the same to you.

 

Is that the standard you have set for yourself?

Well in that case. If you have drank underage, you can not preach about not drinking underage. When you smoke cigs or pot, you cannot preach about not smoking cigs or pot. When you have told a little white lie to your parents, you cannot get mad at your kids for doing the same. If you had an affair with another person, you cannot get mad at someone for doing the same to you.

 

Is that the standard you have set for yourself?

Works in my case .

No, and no. What FKYW said is what I meant — when they pander to family values and screw up, they're not living up to the standards they have projected, and they are therefore hypocrites.

 

I think you have to look at the timeline in which things occured, don't you. I mean if you have a ballplayer that gets a huge contract, gets mixed up with the wrong set of people, blows his signing bonus on crack, and is broke and out of a job in two years...if five years later he has a "come to Jesus" moment and turns his life around...you're telling me he can't talk to other rookies about the dangers they may be facing coming into the league? Or what about a young woman speaking out on abstaining from sex while you're in school. To me, if she couldn't go to the prom, had to quit sports, finish her GED at home, and skip college...all because she did have sex, and ended up pregnant...THAT carries a lot of weight in my mind, when talking to others. It's all about "don't make the same mistakes I made".

 

However, if you reverse the timeline, and have the athlete preaching to other rookies, and then he goes out and does the same exact thing...THEN he's a hypocrite. But, not so in the other instance.

 

So, in this particular case, I think a lot of people are putting the cart before the horse. Was she publicly promoting "Family Values" way back then? Or did that come afterwards. To me, that goes a long way in determining whether someone's a hypocrite or not.

Works in my case .

 

 

Good for you.

"I tried it but didn't inhale", "I did not have sex with that woman, Ms Lewinski (sp?)"--Yup, Bill's no hypocrite??? :ohbrother:

 

Please look up the definition of the word hypocrite before you smack your head. Please also read the rest of my post. I never said he was right for anything that he did, just that it is not hypocritical. Again, lying is not the same as being a hypocrite.

Well in that case. If you have drank underage, you can not preach about not drinking underage. When you smoke cigs or pot, you cannot preach about not smoking cigs or pot. When you have told a little white lie to your parents, you cannot get mad at your kids for doing the same. If you had an affair with another person, you cannot get mad at someone for doing the same to you.

 

Is that the standard you have set for yourself?

 

I'm not running for office, so it doesn't really matter that much.

 

I've got no kids, but what you speak of is a dilemma facing many parents. I think that's a case where you're speaking from a position of authority from the standpoint of "don't make the same mistakes I did." Perhaps those folks are being hypocritical, but necessarily so, I would think. If you think we live in a country of declining morals now, imagine what it would be like if all parents took the approach you outlined?

I think you have to look at the timeline in which things occured, don't you. I mean if you have a ballplayer that gets a huge contract, gets mixed up with the wrong set of people, blows his signing bonus on crack, and is broke and out of a job in two years...if five years later he has a "come to Jesus" moment and turns his life around...you're telling me he can't talk to other rookies about the dangers they may be facing coming into the league? Or what about a young woman speaking out on abstaining from sex while you're in school. To me, if she couldn't go to the prom, had to quit sports, finish her GED at home, and skip college...all because she did have sex, and ended up pregnant...THAT carries a lot of weight in my mind, when talking to others. It's all about "don't make the same mistakes I made".

 

However, if you reverse the timeline, and have the athlete preaching to other rookies, and then he goes out and does the same exact thing...THEN he's a hypocrite. But, not so in the other instance.

 

So, in this particular case, I think a lot of people are putting the cart before the horse. Was she publicly promoting "Family Values" way back then? Or did that come afterwards. To me, that goes a long way in determining whether someone's a hypocrite or not.

 

I see what you're saying, but honestly, how often have you ever heard any family values/morality-type candidate use the phrase "don't make the same mistakes I did" during their campaigning? When GWB admitted to his coke use, it was shocking because you almost never hear such admissions from social conservatives on the campaign trail.

I'm not running for office, so it doesn't really matter that much.

 

I've got no kids, but what you speak of is a dilemma facing many parents. I think that's a case where you're speaking from a position of authority from the standpoint of "don't make the same mistakes I did." Perhaps those folks are being hypocritical, but necessarily so, I would think. If you think we live in a country of declining morals now, imagine what it would be like if all parents took the approach you outlined?

 

I agree with the bold.

 

My question is do you not think, given what is alleged, she can no longer preach of family values because of something that happened 20+ years ago?

I agree with the bold.

 

My question is do you not think, given what is alleged, she can no longer preach of family values because of something that happened 20+ years ago?

 

We may not be talking about anywhere near that long ago, from what it sounds like. The Glen Rice thing isn't the only issue at hand.