are true christians who will go to heaven? The recent St. X chant controversy has sparked quite a debate on this topic. Thoughts? Clarifications?

Only one Being decides who will go to heaven. Any human claiming that certain individuals will go to heaven or hell is a heretic.

jesus said, many things on this topic, I could spend many hours researching what he said and probaby will. John 14:6..No one comes to the Father except through me.

 

Religions don't save you, the Church does not save you, the Pope/Preacher/Bishop/Elder/Deacon/Billy Graham/ Mother Mary/Joel Osteen...

 

Matthew 1:21 "The angel told Joeseph to go ahead and marry Mary, "she is going to have a child and you are to name him Jesus, because he will save his people from their Sins".

 

Jesus used the word "church" two times in scripture.

are true christians who will go to heaven? The recent St. X chant controversy has sparked quite a debate on this topic. Thoughts? Clarifications?

 

PLEASE! Let's not get all anti-Catholic about the chanting. Separation of Church and State. Private Schools are allowed to make their faith part of the curriculum. (Got a freshman studying for an Old Testament test right now). Public Schools are not. Has nothing to do with who loves Jesus more!! It was a silly high school school chant where one school brags of their strengths--(unbeatable sports team) and another brags of their strengths--(we get to pray and talk about our religion at school all day long--and we do not have to hide it).

PLEASE! Let's not get all anti-Catholic about the chanting. Separation of Church and State. Private Schools are allowed to make their faith part of the curriculum. (Got a freshman studying for an Old Testament test right now). Public Schools are not. Has nothing to do with who loves Jesus more!! It was a silly high school school chant where one school brags of their strengths--(unbeatable sports team) and another brags of their strengths--(we get to pray and talk about our religion at school all day long--and we do not have to hide it).

 

How dare you accuse me of being anti catholic! I asked a question. If you don't have the answer, keep quiet.

How dare you accuse me of being anti catholic! I asked a question. If you don't have the answer' date=' keep quiet.[/quote'] Well now I guess you have to prove that you are not .

No the Catholic Magisterium does not teach that.

How dare you accuse me of being anti catholic! I asked a question. If you don't have the answer' date=' keep quiet.[/quote']

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are true christians who will go to heaven? The recent St. X chant controversy has sparked quite a debate on this topic. Thoughts? Clarifications?

No.

The simple answer has been stated a couple times above: the Catholic Church does not teach that those not of the Catholic faith are automatically condemned to hell. It does, however, teach that those not following the teachings of the Church do so at their own peril. Official church teaching is that all believers are bound to participation in the sacraments and to belief in the teachings of the Church. At the same time, while God has bound His church to such, God Himself is in no way bound, leaving open any such possibilities for salvation as God's mercy allows.

 

*Note: I don't typically say a bad word about the Church in a public forum but this is one time you'll see me do so... The modern Catholic Church doesn't know what it teaches half the time. Our seminaries are in shambles and the teaching of the Catechism is almost non-existent at most Catholic schools. I've spent a long time studying in an attempt to overcome the poor religious instruction I received throughout my life. Anyone who wants a real answer ought to consult the Catechism of the Catholic Church and the various papal encyclicals on the subject, some of which are not easy to reconcile (eg: the propositions addressed in Quanta Cura and Gaudium et Spes).

Edited September 14, 201115 yr by Getslow

Only one Being decides who will go to heaven.

 

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The simple answer has been stated a couple times above: the Catholic Church does not teach that those not of the Catholic faith are automatically condemned to hell. It does, however, teach that those not following the teachings of the Church do so at their own peril. Official church teaching is that all believers are bound to participation in the sacraments and to belief in the teachings of the Church. At the same time, while God has bound His church to such, God Himself is in no way bound, leaving open any such possibilities for salvation as God's mercy allows.

 

*Note: I don't typically say a bad word about the Church in a public forum but this is one time you'll see me do so... The modern Catholic Church doesn't know what it teaches half the time. Our seminaries are in shambles and the teaching of the Catechism is almost non-existent at most Catholic schools. I've spent a long time studying in an attempt to overcome the poor religious instruction I received throughout my life. Anyone who wants a real answer ought to consult the Catechism of the Catholic Church and the various papal encyclicals on the subject, some of which are not easy to reconcile (eg: the propositions addressed in Quanta Cura and Gaudium et Spes).

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It's weird how anytime someone seeks clarification on an issue involving catholicism, they are immediately cast as haters. Not sure, but I'm not a hater and don't particularly enjoy being called that by others. I guess it comes with the topic at hand.

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It's weird how anytime someone seeks clarification on an issue involving catholicism, they are immediately cast as haters. Not sure, but I'm not a hater and don't particularly enjoy being called that by others. I guess it comes with the topic at hand.

 

Tone has quite a bit to do with perception.

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It's weird how anytime someone seeks clarification on an issue involving catholicism, they are immediately cast as haters. Not sure, but I'm not a hater and don't particularly enjoy being called that by others. I guess it comes with the topic at hand.

 

I wasn't aware that I did that; it wasn't my intention.

Tone has quite a bit to do with perception.

Very true. And I believe Whackem quoted the wrong post there. Getslow's explanation was right on; although I will disagree with him on our seminaries being "in shambles." But that's a topic for another day.