How long did the starters play? Anybody have a recap on the scoring, turnovers etc?

 

The "game" started out with each team going 10 plays. Cov Cath drove the field slowly and was stopped around the 10 yard line. Cooper went on offense and Bradley ran two plays for 70 yards and a score. I believe Cov Cath scored on their next possession and the QB did a nice job finding his receivers. The "tall" Cov cath receiver had a real nice game. I think that was the only scores until they played a simulated game of 2 quarters (without returning kicks). Cooper held Cov Cath to a 3 and out. Cooper then drove the field before being stopped around the 20 yard line. They missed the FG. Bradley was then out for the rest of the scrimmage. Cov Cath had one score and Cooper did not score in the 2 quarters.

 

I thought both teams fought hard. Both teams QB's looked good and Bradley is a STUD... I was concerned with how Cooper's line would play when I saw the size of the Cov Cath Lineman but they did okay. Good luck to both teams this season.

Ouch! Kuddos to Cooper but this is going to be yet another long year for the Colonels.

 

Will 2010 be Brossart's fault too?

Ouch! Kuddos to Cooper but this is going to be yet another long year for the Colonels.

 

Will 2010 be Brossart's fault too?

 

 

Last year wasn't a long year, and Brossart had nothing to do with it.

Last year was a good year for Cov Cath in more ways than just W-L. A few plays away from picking up another 2 wins and program moving in a the right direction. IMO this year will improve on last year. Sounds like someone with an ax to grind or trying to stir the pot. Let it go.

The "game" started out with each team going 10 plays. Cov Cath drove the field slowly and was stopped around the 10 yard line. Cooper went on offense and Bradley ran two plays for 70 yards and a score. I believe Cov Cath scored on their next possession and the QB did a nice job finding his receivers. The "tall" Cov cath receiver had a real nice game. I think that was the only scores until they played a simulated game of 2 quarters (without returning kicks). Cooper held Cov Cath to a 3 and out. Cooper then drove the field before being stopped around the 20 yard line. They missed the FG. Bradley was then out for the rest of the scrimmage. Cov Cath had one score and Cooper did not score in the 2 quarters.

 

I thought both teams fought hard. Both teams QB's looked good and Bradley is a STUD... I was concerned with how Cooper's line would play when I saw the size of the Cov Cath Lineman but they did okay. Good luck to both teams this season.

 

Let me add to this. CovCath was only stopped by failing to score before using all of their 10 plays and not by the Cooper "D" in their first 10 and done.

 

CovCath also instead of using their PK on a 4 and goal from about the 10 (in a regular game CovCath with their outstanding PK Talkers CovCath would have gone for the FG) but chose instead to give their young QB some experience, he threw the ball and the young QB was intercepted at the goal line.

 

From what I was told, CovCath failed to use at least two of their better RB's but instead chose to give their three young QB some game experience. IMO smart move.

 

BTW Cooper impressed me with Bradley running the ball, but if that young man gets hurt, Cooper is in a world of hurt this season.

 

Good luck to Cooper and thanks for allowing CovCath to play at your complex. If you haven't been to Cooper to see their sports fields yet, you really need to go out and visit them. From the Baseball Diamonds to the Football field, to the gym they have or will soon have (if taken care of) the nicest sports complex in NKY.

I think Cooper will get some respect this year ! They gave Covcath all they wanted in that game ! I think some of those Covcath dads were upset with the refs !!!! I would think they would have more class than that . After all it was just a scrimmage.

 

As Clyde mentioned, scrimmages are used for to help train the refs (and players too obviously) to get them ready for the regular season. Even those veteran refs calling scrimmages need to shake the rust off and get back in the flow. In scrimmages and early season games you'll see missed or bad calls. But as the season moves on, not only do the players and coaches improve, the refs do also.

 

My biggest complaint with the reffing is a general one and it is the "one whistle" concept. Instead of all the refs blowing a whistle at the end of a play, the concept amongst some ref crews (particularly in N. Ky) is to try and emulate what I'm told is done in college: only one ref blows the whistle at the end of the play and, as I understand it, it's supposed to be the ref assigned to the area of responsibility where the ball is at the end of the play. I believe that's done to stop inadvertent whistles being blown, which happens when refs not having the best view of a play think a runner is down, when he is not, etc.. From my observation last year, whistles were often blown late (particularly if the ball is in an area where refs aren't sure whose responsibility it is to blow a whistle), the whistle blasts were too short and not near loud enough. I'm told the other refs, when they hear the whistle blast, will verbally tell players that the play is over. The problem with that is that players with helmets on, engaged in a block, have a very hard time hearing a ref say the play is over. The players are focused on getting their block or making a tackle. They have been trained since youth to play until they hear the whistle blown. Heck, as players pick up the system, what's to stop a player from yelling "the play is over" when it really isn't and get the opponent to pull up?

 

I fully get and understand the single whistle concept and the desire to avoid having a game determined by an inadvertent whistle, but I'd rather have an inadvertent whistle blown than have some player hurt when he sees the play stop, but a blocker or defender with his back to the ball doesn't hear the solo whistle blast and he takes out the other player who is already pulling up. Seemed to me we had more late hits last year than I can recall in the past, and I wonder if the one whistle concept played a role in that happening. Perhaps with more experience and training, things will improve, but as of now I don't like the concept. I was told by the KHSAA last year when I inquired into it, that the high school refs were not supposed to be doing the one whistle routine, but I saw and see it continuing. Maybe the KHSAA rethought its position and now allows it, but I don't think so. It may work on the college level, where the refs are a lot more experienced and to be blunt, but not intending to be insulting, are better refs. No disrespect meant to any high school ref because I value highly their contributions to high school athletics and I hope the refs take this post in the manner intended: constructive criticism.

 

I just saw on tape and in person last year and in Friday's scrimmage, way too many late whistles, short whistles and not real loud whistles (and I stand on field level relatively close to the action when it's at one endzone) caused in my estimation by refs being unsure if they were supposed to blow the whistle or another ref was supposed to blow it. I truly hope crews using/teaching the one whistle routine re-think the idea and realize that what may work on the college level may not work on the high school level. I'd hate to see a player get hurt because of a desire to stop an inadvertent whistle. If I thought it was just a matter of time before all refs got the hang of the single whistle concept, perhaps I'd be less concerned, but with the relatively high turnover involved with high school refs, unless all youth league refs start learning the concept (highly unlikely given the magnitude of that idea), I think each year we will be dealing with the problem as new refs come onto the freshman and JV levels.

 

With respect but concern,

 

LN

 

PS: Sorry to get off thread, but I thought my comment was germane to Clyde's and a couple others' posts.

Let me add to this. CovCath was only stopped by failing to score before using all of their 10 plays and not by the Cooper "D" in their first 10 and done.

 

CovCath also instead of using their PK on a 4 and goal from about the 10 (in a regular game CovCath with their outstanding PK Talkers CovCath would have gone for the FG) but chose instead to give their young QB some experience, he threw the ball and the young QB was intercepted at the goal line.

 

From what I was told, CovCath failed to use at least two of their better RB's but instead chose to give their three young QB some game experience. IMO smart move.

 

BTW Cooper impressed me with Bradley running the ball, but if that young man gets hurt, Cooper is in a world of hurt this season.

 

Good luck to Cooper and thanks for allowing CovCath to play at your complex. If you haven't been to Cooper to see their sports fields yet, you really need to go out and visit them. From the Baseball Diamonds to the Football field, to the gym they have or will soon have (if taken care of) the nicest sports complex in NKY.

 

You can add all you want! It's funny how you always find a reason for CovCath's loss! CovCath won the scrimmage, don't try to say that they used different backs and things, to down Cooper. You always down a school in a polite way, but we can see what you are saying! But thanks for your input, Theoldguy!

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IMO, this was a great scrimmage for both teams. I think both schools did a great job. This should not be about wins or losses. I'm sure both schools played different kids at times. Thanks to CovCath for playing us. I would like to see Cooper scrimmage them every year. TO BE THE BEST.... PLAY THE BEST!!!!

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As Clyde mentioned, scrimmages are used for to help train the refs (and players too obviously) to get them ready for the regular season. Even those veteran refs calling scrimmages need to shake the rust off and get back in the flow. In scrimmages and early season games you'll see missed or bad calls. But as the season moves on, not only do the players and coaches improve, the refs do also.

 

My biggest complaint with the reffing is a general one and it is the "one whistle" concept. Instead of all the refs blowing a whistle at the end of a play, the concept amongst some ref crews (particularly in N. Ky) is to try and emulate what I'm told is done in college: only one ref blows the whistle at the end of the play and, as I understand it, it's supposed to be the ref assigned to the area of responsibility where the ball is at the end of the play. I believe that's done to stop inadvertent whistles being blown, which happens when refs not having the best view of a play think a runner is down, when he is not, etc.. From my observation last year, whistles were often blown late (particularly if the ball is in an area where refs aren't sure whose responsibility it is to blow a whistle), the whistle blasts were too short and not near loud enough. I'm told the other refs, when they hear the whistle blast, will verbally tell players that the play is over. The problem with that is that players with helmets on, engaged in a block, have a very hard time hearing a ref say the play is over. The players are focused on getting their block or making a tackle. They have been trained since youth to play until they hear the whistle blown. Heck, as players pick up the system, what's to stop a player from yelling "the play is over" when it really isn't and get the opponent to pull up?

 

I fully get and understand the single whistle concept and the desire to avoid having a game determined by an inadvertent whistle, but I'd rather have an inadvertent whistle blown than have some player hurt when he sees the play stop, but a blocker or defender with his back to the ball doesn't hear the solo whistle blast and he takes out the other player who is already pulling up. Seemed to me we had more late hits last year than I can recall in the past, and I wonder if the one whistle concept played a role in that happening. Perhaps with more experience and training, things will improve, but as of now I don't like the concept. I was told by the KHSAA last year when I inquired into it, that the high school refs were not supposed to be doing the one whistle routine, but I saw and see it continuing. Maybe the KHSAA rethought its position and now allows it, but I don't think so. It may work on the college level, where the refs are a lot more experienced and to be blunt, but not intending to be insulting, are better refs. No disrespect meant to any high school ref because I value highly their contributions to high school athletics and I hope the refs take this post in the manner intended: constructive criticism.

 

I just saw on tape and in person last year and in Friday's scrimmage, way too many late whistles, short whistles and not real loud whistles (and I stand on field level relatively close to the action when it's at one endzone) caused in my estimation by refs being unsure if they were supposed to blow the whistle or another ref was supposed to blow it. I truly hope crews using/teaching the one whistle routine re-think the idea and realize that what may work on the college level may not work on the high school level. I'd hate to see a player get hurt because of a desire to stop an inadvertent whistle. If I thought it was just a matter of time before all refs got the hang of the single whistle concept, perhaps I'd be less concerned, but with the relatively high turnover involved with high school refs, unless all youth league refs start learning the concept (highly unlikely given the magnitude of that idea), I think each year we will be dealing with the problem as new refs come onto the freshman and JV levels.

 

With respect but concern,

 

LN

 

PS: Sorry to get off thread, but I thought my comment was germane to Clyde's and a couple others' posts.

 

A key reason behind the one whistle theory is that it allows the refs to watch their area and not just follow the football. If every ref is resposible for blowing the play dead then they will all be watching the ball instead of watching the other action on the field.

You can add all you want! It's funny how you always find a reason for CovCath's loss! CovCath won the scrimmage, don't try to say that they used different backs and things, to down Cooper. You always down a school in a polite way, but we can see what you are saying! But thanks for your input, Theoldguy!

 

 

Lets see what I said about Cooper:

 

BTW Cooper impressed me with Bradley running the ball, but if that young man gets hurt, Cooper is in a world of hurt this season.

 

I think even the most die hard Cooper fan will agree with me that if indeed Bradley gets hurt Cooper is in trouble as the kid is indeed a D1 RB and can't be replaced by anyone on Cooper team, heck most likely by any player from any team from NKy.

 

Good luck to Cooper and thanks for allowing CovCath to play at your complex. If you haven't been to Cooper to see their sports fields yet, you really need to go out and visit them. From the Baseball Diamonds to the Football field, to the gym they have or will soon have (if taken care of) the nicest sports complex in NKY.

 

I think you will find that I have for a while now, written about how nice the Cooper Sport Complex is. My only concern is will the Boone County Board of Education give Cooper the money to allow the Complex to be taken care of properly, so the complex can be kept up and allowed to improve from year to year!

 

As far as the game goes, in another post I got on some CovCath Dads for screaming at the men in stripes and only told those not attending the game what happened at the game!

 

What did I post that did not happen?

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Ouch! Kuddos to Cooper but this is going to be yet another long year for the Colonels.

 

Will 2010 be Brossart's fault too?

 

Dude, let it go.

 

It was a scrimmage. It's really hard to judge what a game might be like between the two schools from just a scrimmage.

Edited August 15, 201016 yr by Birdsfan

A key reason behind the one whistle theory is that it allows the refs to watch their area and not just follow the football. If every ref is resposible for blowing the play dead then they will all be watching the ball instead of watching the other action on the field.

 

Excellent point. My understanding is that many of the best refs in Northern Kentucky also do ref college games-so maybe this is where some of the confusion lies. I just want the refs to be consistent, and that we get the very best we can to be out there. I have no problem with the refs being criticized as they are paid to do a job, but the head coaches get paid too, and we are constantly lectured here not to get on them.

Last year was a good year for Cov Cath in more ways than just W-L. A few plays away from picking up another 2 wins and program moving in a the right direction. IMO this year will improve on last year. Sounds like someone with an ax to grind or trying to stir the pot. Let it go.

 

I disagree, last year was middle of the road at best for CovCath. Based on the games played and Ryle and Johnson Central handing CovCath their hat I don't see anything to boast about. Didn't CovCath struggle with Woodford too?

 

You watch, it will be another middle of the road year for CovCath. CovCath should be beat an upstart program like Cooper as bad as they want to.

I disagree, last year was middle of the road at best for CovCath. Based on the games played and Ryle and Johnson Central handing CovCath their hat I don't see anything to boast about. Didn't CovCath struggle with Woodford too?

 

You watch, it will be another middle of the road year for CovCath. CovCath should be beat an upstart program like Cooper as bad as they want to.

 

Again-if you just look at W-L and the schedule they play it could be another 'middle of the road' year for Cov Cath. They finished 6-6 last year with a 6 point and 9 point loss to Lex Cath and LaSalle respectively. Both of those games were a play or two away from being a W and a 6-6 quickly becomes 8-4. If the 20 pt loss to Ryle in the first game, and 19 point to JC is getting their hat handed to them, then the 21 point win over Woodford wouldn't be a struggle. My point being they were competitive in all their games last year except for Highlands and Lou St X. Last years Seniors had 3 Head Coaches in their 4 years at Cov Cath, with stability and other things being done with the program, last year was a succes (regardless of W-L) and this year will build on that. The W's will follow.

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Dude, let it go.

 

It was a scrimmage. It's really hard to judge what a game might be like between the two schools from just a scrimmage.

 

If Covington Catholic is moving in the right direction then Kangaroo's comment shouldn't mean squat.