It's wrong because American citizens shouldn't have to be subject to being harassed by law enforcement for doing nothing.

 

Everyone loves to talk about how much they hate government intrusion into people's lives until it doesn't affect them... it just affects someone else. Conservatives love to talk about how much the love the Second Amendment... but they sure don't seem to have that same affection for the Fourth, Fourteenth, etc....

 

 

AMEN!!

So you think it was okay for him to stop me just because I was wearing a hat?

 

If that was solely his reason, yes.

If they had a report of someone in the area doing something wearing a similar hat, than no. BTW, I wouldn't think it is the responsibility of the police officer to tell you that there was a report of someone in the area, if the stop was as short and uneventful as you described.

The issue isn't whether it happens. As FB said we all do it every day. However, its a matter of degree and its certainly a fine line.

 

However, I think its disingenuous for white people to act like black people shouldn't be bothered by it.

 

If this has been a pattern throughout his life for NWO, ABSOLUTELY I agree.

From what he has indicated, it was one episode.

 

As someone mentioned earlier, I remember several times as a teenager, getting pulled over or having to have a conversation with a police officer because I was a teenager out at 2:00 or 3:00 AM in a small community. Wanted to know what I was doing?

 

Had a conversation with them and then moved on about our business.

 

Heck, when I was in my 30's, I was riding with my teen niece home from working concessions at a Reds ball game. It was about 2:00 AM and she drove a black, very nice, mustang. She was pulled over and they asked her the normal questions. When he saw our Sportservice logo clothing and the nacho cheese all over her shirt with our story of where we had been, sent us on our way.

 

I think she was pulled over for a black Mustang driving at 2:00 AM. He indicated she was weaving IN HER LANE but never crossed the center line.

I think that profiling is extremely racist. I know that it happens alot and is wrong. It basically judging people based on skin color, age or other factors that have nothing to do with that individual person. Aren't people innocent until proven guilty? A random person should not have their day interrupted because they fit a certain profile or look suspicious. JMO.

I know some of you will never believe this but the police are not always right. He had no probable cause to stop me. It was wrong and nothing any of you can say will change my mind.

 

I guess some can claim that the government are too involved in our lives but when other people claim they were done wrong by the police or other government entity they claim that the were doing their job?

 

Only in America.

I think that profiling is extremely racist. I know that it happens alot and is wrong. It basically judging people based on skin color, age or other factors that have nothing to do with that individual person. Aren't people innocent until proven guilty? A random person should not have their day interrupted because they fit a certain profile or look suspicious. JMO.

 

How is stopping and asking a question making a person guilty? I thought that happened in the court room.

 

Police have to do their jobs by questioning people. Are you saying they should never question anyone unless they are 100% sure that person is guilty? If so, you do realize that means that no one would ever be convicted of anything.

Some comments in the Arizona thread got me wondering.

 

If a black guy is roaming the streets of a predominantly white suburb or a white guy is lurking around black neighborhoods at 2 AM, shouldn't it set off an alarm in an officers mind?

 

If someone of Middle Eastern decent is flying on a one-way ticket to or from this country paid for in cash shouldn't they be subject to greater scrutiny?

 

If a Latino can't speak any or hardly any English in Arizona, isn't it a probability they're illegal?

 

 

When I was young I sometimes hung out in an area that was known for some minor criminal activity, I was often stopped by the police and questioned because I fit the profile of those that were committing the crimes. Didn't bother me a bit.

Isn't this just another tool used by the police to help them do their job, or do you think it's a form of racism to practice profiling?

 

 

Door number 2.

I know some of you will never believe this but the police are not always right. He had no probable cause to stop me. It was wrong and nothing any of you can say will change my mind.

 

I guess some can claim that the government are too involved in our lives but when other people claim they were done wrong by the police or other government entity they claim that the were doing their job?

 

Only in America.

 

Based on the information you have, I can fully see how and why you feel that way.

 

Isn't it a possibility that you didn't have all of the information that was going on?

 

It is a possibility that you were pulled over simply because of your race. Absolutely a possibility.

 

But also a possibility that you were not pulled over simply because of your race but rather for other things.

 

If that police officer continued to have a pattern of doing that, pulling people over for no other reason than their race, than he should have been fired.

How is stopping and asking a question making a person guilty? I thought that happened in the court room.

 

Police have to do their jobs by questioning people. Are you saying they should never question anyone unless they are 100% sure that person is guilty? If so, you do realize that means that no one would ever be convicted of anything.

 

What I'm saying is that they aren't questioning people in profiling. It's more like an accusation. If I'm walking down the street minding my own business a cop has no right to stop me. It's none of his/her business what I'm doing if I'm not breaking the law. I know alot of good cops, but I also know alot of terrible ones. Maybe you don't, but I do.

 

Look at who's targeted in profiling. It's usually either a minority race or youngsters. I'm sorry but criminals come in all races, religions, ages and both sexes. What are cops trying to accomplish by profiling? How does it benefit anyone? Sure I'm sure it does help find some criminals, but more often than not it is an infringement on the rights of those who are accused of being a criminal.

 

As far as questioning with probable cause, by all means question anyone. But profiling tramples on the rights of each and every American because at any one time any of us could fit a suspicious description. It's not my job to solve crime, and I'm not going to take kindly an officer or anyone else stopping me because of the way I look, my age, or what I wear.

 

Look at NWO's story, how is that NOT an infringement on the rights and privacy of law-abiding American citizens????

It's wrong because American citizens shouldn't have to be subject to being harassed by law enforcement for doing nothing.

 

Everyone loves to talk about how much they hate government intrusion into people's lives until it doesn't affect them... it just affects someone else. Conservatives love to talk about how much the love the Second Amendment... but they sure don't seem to have that same affection for the Fourth, Fourteenth, etc....

 

I don't get it, I really don't. No government intrusion, but by all means let's harass any person we see that looks different than us.

 

Excellent points man.

What I'm saying is that they aren't questioning people in profiling. It's more like an accusation. If I'm walking down the street minding my own business a cop has no right to stop me. It's none of his/her business what I'm doing if I'm not breaking the law. I know alot of good cops, but I also know alot of terrible ones. Maybe you don't, but I do.

 

Look at who's targeted in profiling. It's usually either a minority race or youngsters. I'm sorry but criminals come in all races, religions, ages and both sexes. What are cops trying to accomplish by profiling? How does it benefit anyone? Sure I'm sure it does help find some criminals, but more often than not it is an infringement on the rights of those who are accused of being a criminal.

 

As far as questioning with probable cause, by all means question anyone. But profiling tramples on the rights of each and every American because at any one time any of us could fit a suspicious description. It's not my job to solve crime, and I'm not going to take kindly an officer or anyone else stopping me because of the way I look, my age, or what I wear.

 

Look at NWO's story, how is that NOT an infringement on the rights and privacy of law-abiding American citizens????

 

It happens both ways. A fine line between something that looks suspicious and racial profiling. I was pulled over near OTR for "having on a nice suit". I was dropping a friend off to pick up her car that was being worked on by a mechanic in OTR. Was pulled over by a Cincinnati city cop who asked me "what I was doing in this neighborhood, dressed in a nice suit?" When I told him I came here from work and was dropping off a friend to pick up her car, he proceeded to ask me if I was up here "looking to buy drugs?" He asked for my driver's license and registration, went back to his vehicle, I am assuming he ran my plates and came back and returned my driver's license and registration and said, "have a nice day."

 

Racial profiling? Probably. Harm done to me? None, other than it wasted about 10 minutes of my time. If I had pressed it, I am sure he had zero probable cause to pull me over. I just looked out of place to him by my clothing.

Door number 2.

Why is it racism?

I know some of you will never believe this but the police are not always right. He had no probable cause to stop me. It was wrong and nothing any of you can say will change my mind.

 

I guess some can claim that the government are too involved in our lives but when other people claim they were done wrong by the police or other government entity they claim that the were doing their job?

 

Only in America.

With all due respect, without knowing the officers side it's rather hard to determine if he pulled you over for being black. How can you be sure that there was no other reason for it?

 

I'd still love to know what kind of hat you were wearing. :lol:

I think that profiling is extremely racist. I know that it happens alot and is wrong. It basically judging people based on skin color, age or other factors that have nothing to do with that individual person. Aren't people innocent until proven guilty? A random person should not have their day interrupted because they fit a certain profile or look suspicious. JMO.

I disagree, I think it's a useful tool. Now, I understand that there are some cops that may abuse it and if caught doing so they should be taken up on charges.

I'm going to ask this again. If a guy that fits my description has been ripping off homes in your neighborhood and I come to visit you and get pulled over because I look like that guy, don't you think I should be pulled over? Wouldn't you feel better knowing the police are trying to catch the guy? Wouldn't profiling be a good and useful tool then?

What I'm saying is that they aren't questioning people in profiling. It's more like an accusation. If I'm walking down the street minding my own business a cop has no right to stop me. It's none of his/her business what I'm doing if I'm not breaking the law. I know alot of good cops, but I also know alot of terrible ones. Maybe you don't, but I do.

What if a crime was just committed and you fit the description?

 

Look at who's targeted in profiling. It's usually either a minority race or youngsters. I'm sorry but criminals come in all races, religions, ages and both sexes. What are cops trying to accomplish by profiling? How does it benefit anyone? Sure I'm sure it does help find some criminals, but more often than not it is an infringement on the rights of those who are accused of being a criminal.

Sure it is, but in some areas certain races or age groups are the ones committing the vast majority of the crime. It would only make sense to profile those groups.

 

As far as questioning with probable cause, by all means question anyone. But profiling tramples on the rights of each and every American because at any one time any of us could fit a suspicious description. It's not my job to solve crime, and I'm not going to take kindly an officer or anyone else stopping me because of the way I look, my age, or what I wear.

As I said, I was profiled as kid many, many times. Never once did I feel my rights were being infringed. You claim it's fine to question you if there is probable cause, yet you claim that it's not your job to solve crime and you're not going to take kindly to an officer stopping you because of the way you look, your age, or what you wear. I agree it's not your job to solve crime, but those last three things would fall into probable cause wouldn't they? So long as the criminal fit the criteria of those three things.

 

Look at NWO's story, how is that NOT an infringement on the rights and privacy of law-abiding American citizens????

Do you know both sides? Does even nWo know the officers side?