I wonder how many Fort Knox players and parents will be in attendance the next time Marion County pounds Etown? Etown might beat Fort Knox by 150 next year if they were to show up, but it might offer some satisfaction watching the bully getting beat up?:popcorn:

Elizabethtown has been very silent on this.

I don't condone what E-town did. 115 point margin is out of hand, but playing devil's advocate, is it possible that Fort Knox just stopped playing? The team I coach has only won 5 games this season (We're young and not very good right now), but one of our 5 wins was a 96-21 blow out. I tried my best not to run the score up, but the other team just stopped playing. Here are some of the contributing factors from my game.

 

1.) We called the press off in the 2nd quarter.

2.) Starters didn't play in the second half.

3.) I tried to play a non aggressive 1-3-1 zone in the second half, but the other coach tried to dribble the clock out starting the 3rd quarter. We switched back to man, because I wasn't about to drive 1.5 hours to watch the other team dribble out the second half.

4.) I would have loved to tell my girls to turn over our motion offense with 10 passes before taking a shot, but the other team stopped running back on defense. You can't tell players not take wide open lay-ups.

5.) The other teams best player fouled out in the 2nd quarter and I told the officials to allow her to continue to play because she was the only ball handler they had. She finished the game with 9 personal fouls.

 

Long story short is I was embarrassed over the score, but I also felt like the team and coach we were playing contributed to it. As the coach I have to make sure we get something out of every game. Is it our fault if the other team stops playing hard.

 

I've been on both ends of those games. When we are getting blown out like that, I make sure that we continue to play hard. I've had several games when I've told the girls to ignore the scoreboard and just try and win the next quarter or win the next 3 minutes.

 

Again I don't condone what E-town did, but if Fort Knox quit playing, I can see how it could happen. IMO it would have been more embarrassing to Fort Knox if coach Mudd had instructed his girls to dribble out entire quarters. What would either team learn from that?

I don't condone what E-town did. 115 point margin is out of hand, but playing devil's advocate, is it possible that Fort Knox just stopped playing? The team I coach has only won 5 games this season (We're young and not very good right now), but one of our 5 wins was a 96-21 blow out. I tried my best not to run the score up, but the other team just stopped playing. Here are some of the contributing factors from my game.

 

1.) We called the press off in the 2nd quarter.

2.) Starters didn't play in the second half.

3.) I tried to play a non aggressive 1-3-1 zone in the second half, but the other coach tried to dribble the clock out starting the 3rd quarter. We switched back to man, because I wasn't about to drive 1.5 hours to watch the other team dribble out the second half.

4.) I would have loved to tell my girls to turn over our motion offense with 10 passes before taking a shot, but the other team stopped running back on defense. You can't tell players not take wide open lay-ups.

5.) The other teams best player fouled out in the 2nd quarter and I told the officials to allow her to continue to play because she was the only ball handler they had. She finished the game with 9 personal fouls.

 

Long story short is I was embarrassed over the score, but I also felt like the team and coach we were playing contributed to it. As the coach I have to make sure we get something out of every game. Is it our fault if the other team stops playing hard.

 

I've been on both ends of those games. When we are getting blown out like that, I make sure that we continue to play hard. I've had several games when I've told the girls to ignore the scoreboard and just try and win the next quarter or win the next 3 minutes.

 

Again I don't condone what E-town did, but if Fort Knox quit playing, I can see how it could happen. IMO it would have been more embarrassing to Fort Knox if coach Mudd had instructed his girls to dribble out entire quarters. What would either team learn from that?

 

You tried. Your starters didn't play in the 2nd half. Etown starters played 70% of the minutes allowed and scored 80% of the points.

You tried. Your starters didn't play in the 2nd half. Etown starters played 70% of the minutes allowed and scored 80% of the points.

 

Not only that, the Etown coach obviously came unprepared for what was an obvious mismatch. Where where the freshmen ballplayers who might have benefited from this opportunity? He didn't bring them.

Elizabethtown has been very silent on this.

That, to me, speaks volumes.

Not only that, the Etown coach obviously came unprepared for what was an obvious mismatch. Where where the freshmen ballplayers who might have benefited from this opportunity? He didn't bring them.

 

 

I agree with this 100%. To me, that is one of the biggest disappointments. I do not know for sure how many girls are in the E-town basketball program, but I would assume there is more than the 10 players Mud took to this game.

I don't condone what E-town did. 115 point margin is out of hand, but playing devil's advocate, is it possible that Fort Knox just stopped playing? The team I coach has only won 5 games this season (We're young and not very good right now), but one of our 5 wins was a 96-21 blow out. I tried my best not to run the score up, but the other team just stopped playing. Here are some of the contributing factors from my game.

 

1.) We called the press off in the 2nd quarter.

2.) Starters didn't play in the second half.

3.) I tried to play a non aggressive 1-3-1 zone in the second half, but the other coach tried to dribble the clock out starting the 3rd quarter. We switched back to man, because I wasn't about to drive 1.5 hours to watch the other team dribble out the second half.

4.) I would have loved to tell my girls to turn over our motion offense with 10 passes before taking a shot, but the other team stopped running back on defense. You can't tell players not take wide open lay-ups.

5.) The other teams best player fouled out in the 2nd quarter and I told the officials to allow her to continue to play because she was the only ball handler they had. She finished the game with 9 personal fouls.

 

Long story short is I was embarrassed over the score, but I also felt like the team and coach we were playing contributed to it. As the coach I have to make sure we get something out of every game. Is it our fault if the other team stops playing hard.

 

I've been on both ends of those games. When we are getting blown out like that, I make sure that we continue to play hard. I've had several games when I've told the girls to ignore the scoreboard and just try and win the next quarter or win the next 3 minutes.

 

Again I don't condone what E-town did, but if Fort Knox quit playing, I can see how it could happen. IMO it would have been more embarrassing to Fort Knox if coach Mudd had instructed his girls to dribble out entire quarters. What would either team learn from that?

 

As to point number 3...

 

 

I coached 8th grade and freshman for 15 years. There were several times where we led by 30 and I let teams dribble out the clock. I even let it happen in a tournament where we had to play a much tougher team the next day. I know it sucks but to keep decorum I believe you just take the win and move on.

As to point number 3...

 

 

I coached 8th grade and freshman for 15 years. There were several times where we led by 30 and I let teams dribble out the clock. I even let it happen in a tournament where we had to play a much tougher team the next day. I know it sucks but to keep decorum I believe you just take the win and move on.

 

 

Why should I deprive my younger kids a chance to play? On the varsity we all schedule our own games. Why schedule a game that you are only going to play 2 quarter or 3 quarters? The only time those young kids get to play in varsity games are in blow outs. As a coach you have to take the stance that every moment is a teaching moment. I have 8th graders and freshman that only see clock in games like that. I would like to think that whether we are up 40 or down 40 we are trying to get better as a team. We have been on both ends of that spectrum.

 

Now from what I understand, this is not what coach Mudd was doing. Judging from his comments and the comments of his players they went into that game with Fort Knox with the intention of embarrassing them, not trying to improve his team as a whole. I have no problem with blow outs as long as coaches are playing young kids in the second half and they are really trying to improve those young kids. You cant tell those young kids to bust their tails EVERYDAY in practice and then put them into a game and tell them don't play like I've asked you to practice.

To bad the comments of the coach and players don't match up to what BULLDOG_CHEM pointed out may have been the case! They accomplished exactly what they came looking for!

On the varsity we all schedule our own games. Why schedule a game that you are only going to play 2 quarter or 3 quarters? .

 

 

Good question. Why was this game scheduled? Maybe because you schedule games the year in advance in most cases and last year before deployments and changes in the Ft Knox demographics, maybe Ft. Knox had a stronger team.

 

You really don't know until the season starts as to what you are up against. So going into this game knowing that Ft Knox was not a strong team, E-town should have brought their Freshman and let them get some varsity minutes or maybe even cancelled the game, but they didn't and that along with the starters stats and the comments made after the game are what makes this look so bad.

 

What did the E-town players learn in this game. Nothing, as far as improving their skills?

Good question. Why was this game scheduled? Maybe because you schedule games the year in advance in most cases and last year before deployments and changes in the Ft Knox demographics, maybe Ft. Knox had a stronger team.

 

You really don't know until the season starts as to what you are up against. So going into this game knowing that Ft Knox was not a strong team, E-town should have brought their Freshman and let them get some varsity minutes or maybe even cancelled the game, but they didn't and that along with the starters stats and the comments made after the game are what makes this look so bad.

 

What did the E-town players learn in this game. Nothing, as far as improving their skills?

 

 

Agreed! I guess the point I'm trying to get across is that blow outs are part of every season. If you coach/play long enough you will find yourself on both ends. I personally don't have a problem with blowing a team out big, IF you are playing young players and attempting to develop them in your system and your style of play.

Agreed! I guess the point I'm trying to get across is that blow outs are part of every season. If you coach/play long enough you will find yourself on both ends. I personally don't have a problem with blowing a team out big, IF you are playing young players and attempting to develop them in your system and your style of play.

 

I understand what you are saying, but he did not take younger kids I guess as he only dressed 10 and the startes played 70% of the miniutes, and more importantly to me this was not a blow-out. This was an embrassment, and an attempt to demoralize and destroy the other team. E-town lost the prior game they played and was taking their frustrations out on the next opponent. Instead of learing from their loss, they simply took the 'bully' way out by destroying their next opponent. That way they did not need to think about their prior game.

I understand what you are saying, but he did not take younger kids I guess as he only dressed 10 and the startes played 70% of the miniutes, and more importantly to me this was not a blow-out. This was an embrassment, and an attempt to demoralize and destroy the other team. E-town lost the prior game they played and was taking their frustrations out on the next opponent. Instead of learing from their loss, they simply took the 'bully' way out by destroying their next opponent. That way they did not need to think about their prior game.

 

I agree. E-towns intent was to embarrass on to improve. You have to understand that this happens all season long though. I bet if you check the KSHAA scoreboard you could find atleast 10 games with a 70 point margin of victory. Maybe 5 games with an 80 point margin. This game is getting pub because the point margin was 100+. Whats the difference in an 80 point beat down and 115 point beat down?

I agree. E-towns intent was to embarrass on to improve. You have to understand that this happens all season long though. I bet if you check the KSHAA scoreboard you could find atleast 10 games with a 70 point margin of victory. Maybe 5 games with an 80 point margin. This game is getting pub because the point margin was 100+. Whats the difference in an 80 point beat down and 115 point beat down?

 

Well...:idunno:...maybe because it was done by a KY GIRLS COACH OF THE YEAR!