Can't agree with you. The 16-20 type passing against South Carolina was the missing ingredient in 4 close losses this year.

 

Actually, not putting Cobb in sooner was the missing ingredient. The 16-20 was an exception for Hartline, not the rule.

I am not going to put any expectations or predictions.....All I will say is I really hope he does well. Joker is a pure Kentucky man. Played h.s. in Kentucky and played for the Wildcats. :thumb:

 

:thumb:Hope he does well, we should know if it was the right choice within 2-3 years.

Actually, not putting Cobb in sooner was the missing ingredient. The 16-20 was an exception for Hartline, not the rule.

 

That's what I was thinking :lol:.

It didn't bother him in practice all week.

 

Hartline looked the best he has ever looked, including when he was healthy against South Carolina.

 

They have no plans to play him in the future. Morgan Newton is their man.

 

You were at practice?

I don't blame them. I certainly have "0" confidence in Hartline, imo he is not a leader and your qb has to be a leader.

How much confidence do you have in Newton after seeing him play and not just believing the hype? Newtons last 2 games were awful, if his accuracy does not improve over the winter I think the staff goes back to the reliable Hartline or Moss. Just my opinion, and it very well could be wrong.

Joker Phillips will not retain offensive line caoch Jimmy Heggins and defensive line coach Rick Petri.

How much confidence do you have in Newton after seeing him play and not just believing the hype? Newtons last 2 games were awful, if his accuracy does not improve over the winter I think the staff goes back to the reliable Hartline or Moss. Just my opinion, and it very well could be wrong.

I would say you are right.

Joker Phillips will not retain offensive line caoch Jimmy Heggins and defensive line coach Rick Petri.

This wouldn't surprise me, but I haven't heard this to be true, yet.

How much confidence do you have in Newton after seeing him play and not just believing the hype? Newtons last 2 games were awful, if his accuracy does not improve over the winter I think the staff goes back to the reliable Hartline or Moss. Just my opinion, and it very well could be wrong.

 

He was a freshman. How did Gilbert look for much of the night last night for Texas? He was a bigger recruit last year. Barkley sure looked like a HOF'er. Forcier down the stretch too. True frosh generally do not do well. Tebow was the exception, and he didn't have a full work load. He benefited from having a package built for him and his strengths. What true Frosh has looked good lately, especially in the SEC?

 

Not saying he's going to end up great or that he's even as good as Gilbert or Forcier, but let's give him a chance.

He was a freshman. How did Gilbert look for much of the night last night for Texas? He was a bigger recruit last year. Barkley sure looked like a HOF'er. Forcier down the stretch too. True frosh generally do not do well. Tebow was the exception, and he didn't have a full work load. He benefited from having a package built for him and his strengths. What true Frosh has looked good lately, especially in the SEC?

 

Not saying he's going to end up great or that he's even as good as Gilbert or Forcier, but let's give him a chance.

3C.....I admire your optimism with Morgan Newton, but.........

 

He is and, in my opinion, will always be a poor thrower of the football. Strong arm, poor technique (technique allows a quarterback to spin/spiral the football), no touch. He throws a pass that is very difficult to catch.

 

To make a comparison, the art of throwing a football is very similar to the art of shooting a basketball. For instance, if former UK player Michael Porter shot 500 jump shots a day, his improvement in shooting would only be marginal. He would never be the shooter of say, Kyle Macy, no matter how much he practiced.

 

If Morgan Newton threw 500 passes a day, he could never be the passer of, say, a Joe Montana.

 

It is touch and accuracy and it is a gift from God that some players have naturally and others try and try, but are unable to develop.

 

Morgan is a great kid, has good size, is a leader, etc., etc. etc., but will never be a passer. The UK system is asking the quarterback to stand in the pocket and make good decisions and accurate throws. I see Morgan Newton struggling with the throwing part now, and into the future as the UK quarterback.

 

Just my strong opinion.

3C.....I admire your optimism with Morgan Newton, but.........

 

He is and, in my opinion, will always be a poor thrower of the football. Strong arm, poor technique (technique allows a quarterback to spin/spiral the football), no touch. He throws a pass that is very difficult to catch.

 

To make a comparison, the art of throwing a football is very similar to the art of shooting a basketball. For instance, if former UK player Michael Porter shot 500 jump shots a day, his improvement in shooting would only be marginal. He would never be the shooter of say, Kyle Macy, no matter how much he practiced.

 

If Morgan Newton threw 500 passes a day, he could never be the passer of, say, a Joe Montana.

 

It is touch and accuracy and it is a gift from God that some players have naturally and others try and try, but are unable to develop.

 

Morgan is a great kid, has good size, is a leader, etc., etc. etc., but will never be a passer. The UK system is asking the quarterback to stand in the pocket and make good decisions and accurate throws. I see Morgan Newton struggling with the throwing part now, and into the future as the UK quarterback.

 

Just my strong opinion.

 

I can agree with all of that being the likely reality, I just hate to write someone off after just one season. :thumb: There was a time when many Cats fans thought that Woodson was a terrible QB.

3C.....I admire your optimism with Morgan Newton, but.........

 

He is and, in my opinion, will always be a poor thrower of the football. Strong arm, poor technique (technique allows a quarterback to spin/spiral the football), no touch. He throws a pass that is very difficult to catch.

 

To make a comparison, the art of throwing a football is very similar to the art of shooting a basketball. For instance, if former UK player Michael Porter shot 500 jump shots a day, his improvement in shooting would only be marginal. He would never be the shooter of say, Kyle Macy, no matter how much he practiced.

 

If Morgan Newton threw 500 passes a day, he could never be the passer of, say, a Joe Montana.

 

It is touch and accuracy and it is a gift from God that some players have naturally and others try and try, but are unable to develop.

 

Morgan is a great kid, has good size, is a leader, etc., etc. etc., but will never be a passer. The UK system is asking the quarterback to stand in the pocket and make good decisions and accurate throws. I see Morgan Newton struggling with the throwing part now, and into the future as the UK quarterback.

 

Just my strong opinion.

 

 

I agree with your Michael Porter-Kyle Macy analogy, but I totally disagree with a QB not being able to develop touch and accuracy. I played high school football with Chuck Broughton. He was a year behind me in school. My senior year he became our starting QB, and had a rocket for an arm, but didn't have the touch and accuracy for us to be very successful. He went to a QB camp in between his Jr. and Sr. seasons, and developed a great touch and accuracy. He developed and progressed enough to earn a scholarship to UK.

I can agree with all of that being the likely reality, I just hate to write someone off after just one season. :thumb: There was a time when many Cats fans thought that Woodson was a terrible QB.

I know exactly what you are saying and I would not want to write him off totally because I would love to see him succeed.

I agree with your Michael Porter-Kyle Macy analogy, but I totally disagree with a QB not being able to develop touch and accuracy. I played high school football with Chuck Broughton. He was a year behind me in school. My senior year he became our starting QB, and had a rocket for an arm, but didn't have the touch and accuracy for us to be very successful. He went to a QB camp in between his Jr. and Sr. seasons, and developed a great touch and accuracy. He developed and progressed enough to earn a scholarship to UK.

 

I agree. I think a QB's passing can go from bad to average, average to good, good to great. It takes work. Newton may never be Montana, but he could be an adequate QB with work IMO. Mechanics are not as important at the College level IMO.

I know exactly what you are saying and I would not want to write him off totally because I would love to see him succeed.

 

I gotcha S.O.:thumb: