I see where his right leg is to the right of the base. But parts of his body are still in line with the bag. How specific is the rule?

Obviuosly, to me, there is a measure of subjectivity to the rule.

 

The "direct line" wording of the rule makes this an illegal slide. You draw a line between first base and second base. Is the runner "on that line?" No.

 

Again, no impact on the game. I just happened to notice it because while watching it I believe the umpire almost called it but decided against it. IMO he missed that one.

I read something online today saying that all but about 3 of the top 12 or so teams in the statewide baseball poll have been eliminated.

 

Wide open.

 

 

That shows how tough it is to win in a one and out tournament.

The "direct line" wording of the rule makes this an illegal slide. You draw a line between first base and second base. Is the runner "on that line?" No.

 

Again, no impact on the game. I just happened to notice it because while watching it I believe the umpire almost called it but decided against it. IMO he missed that one.

 

Yes, part of him is on that line. That was the basis for my initial question.

 

Is there a link to read the rule? I will not hi-jack the thread anymore with rule questions. Sorry for getting of topic.

 

Good Luck BHS! Duplicate the Holmes basketball team and bring the title home to the 9th Region!!!

I read something online today saying that all but about 3 of the top 12 or so teams in the statewide baseball poll have been eliminated.

 

Wide open.

 

All the teams in Bold have been eliminated

 

1. Lexington Christian

2. Eastern

3. Apollo

4. Tates Creek

5. Pleasure Ridge Park

6. Covington Catholic

7. Male

8. Trinity

9. Lexington Catholic

10. Bullitt East

11. Franklin County

12. Central Hardin

13. West Jessamine

14. Elizabethtown

15. Western Hills

All the teams in Bold have been eliminated

 

1. Lexington Christian

2. Eastern

3. Apollo

4. Tates Creek

5. Pleasure Ridge Park

6. Covington Catholic

7. Male

8. Trinity

9. Lexington Catholic

10. Bullitt East

11. Franklin County

12. Central Hardin

13. West Jessamine

14. Elizabethtown

15. Western Hills

 

That is incredible.

That is not correct. The rule states that the runner must slide in a direct line between the bases. In this play, the runner's leg is clearly on the right field side of the baseline . FPSR violation . Double play. This was a POE a few years ago on a rule that has been around for 10 years.

 

So does the rule include only force plays or tag plays as well. I am not familar with the rule but if a slide has to be directly in line with the base, then the CovCath run shouldn't have counted either because the player was clearly not in line with the plate given the photo shown earlier in the thread. Rule looks inpractical to enforce. Assuming the rule applies to tag plays as well, If you must stay directly in line then the fielder should not be able to block the bag even when the ball is air because rule gives them an advantage.

 

I say let them play ball short of someone physically trying to run someone over ala Pete Rose destroying Ray Fosse in the 1970? allstar game or a player being unable to tag the base when their slide is complete if trying to breakup a double play. If the rule is as noted, I guess I don't like the rule.

WOW!!! This was unexpected but Congrats to the Tigers on a well played tourney. This team is very young so this could be the start of many to come for the Tigers and Coach Myerhoff.

Biggest upset in 9th Region final history? Wasn't the last game 10-0

 

Not close.....1980 Final of Holy Cross over Lloyd 1-0. Lloyd had over 26 wins that year Holy Cross had record under 500 that year They threw their 3rd pitcher Dan Niehaus who threw all junk, instead of Lennihan or Eifert who threw heat. Lloyd's team had handled all hard throwers that year, Losey from NewCath, Stansberry from Dixie, Brauer from St. Henry, Isler from CovCath, Meier of SK, Martin of Walton Also 1981, I believe Highlands was under .500 when it won the Region the very next year that Brian Rogg pitched and won.

Pic 23 clearly shows that the umpire should have called interference on the runner for violating the Force Play Slide Rule. In high school you have to slide directly into the bag or it is interference. The result would have/should have been that the batter was out as well for a double play.

 

Clearly shows Hyde's hand is within reach of the base therefore the slide is very legal.:laugh:

WOW!!! This was unexpected but Congrats to the Tigers on a well played tourney. This team is very young so this could be the start of many to come for the Tigers and Coach Myerhoff.

 

They had a great win this year, but each year is different. Many thought CovCath would be in for a string of region wins.

Clearly shows Hyde's hand is within reach of the base therefore the slide is very legal.:laugh:

 

I think if you go back to the replay it is just Chas "Hot Wheels" Hyde doing what he can to help his team win, it was a legal slide that we all have seen before and I liked how he was doing everything and anything for the W congrats beechwood!

So does the rule include only force plays or tag plays as well. I am not familar with the rule but if a slide has to be directly in line with the base, then the CovCath run shouldn't have counted either because the player was clearly not in line with the plate given the photo shown earlier in the thread. Rule looks inpractical to enforce. Assuming the rule applies to tag plays as well, If you must stay directly in line then the fielder should not be able to block the bag even when the ball is air because rule gives them an advantage.

 

I say let them play ball short of someone physically trying to run someone over ala Pete Rose destroying Ray Fosse in the 1970? allstar game or a player being unable to tag the base when their slide is complete if trying to breakup a double play. If the rule is as noted, I guess I don't like the rule.

 

The rule only deals with force plays and its a safety issue.

The "direct line" wording of the rule makes this an illegal slide. You draw a line between first base and second base. Is the runner "on that line?" No.

 

Again, no impact on the game. I just happened to notice it because while watching it I believe the umpire almost called it but decided against it. IMO he missed that one.

 

Again, while your reading of the rule is correct absolutely, the interpretation is left to the umpire. You are also absolutely correct in that it is a safety issue. However, seldom is there an "exactness" to a rule involving players in motion. Ala, the leeway given by virtually any umpire in such a situation as this one. As long as the player is making a "baseball play" such as a clean attempt to break up the double play, I don't know an umpire worth his salt that would make the call you suggest. Have I seen it both ways? Yes indeed. Are you correct in your reading of the rule? Yes indeed. Is it ever usually called the way you suggest? Almost never. And in this case, good clean, hard nosed baseball. Solid no-call by the umpire. And, as you state, no impact on the game. And wow, what a game!

Again, while your reading of the rule is correct absolutely, the interpretation is left to the umpire. You are also absolutely correct in that it is a safety issue. However, seldom is there an "exactness" to a rule involving players in motion. Ala, the leeway given by virtually any umpire in such a situation as this one. As long as the player is making a "baseball play" such as a clean attempt to break up the double play, I don't know an umpire worth his salt that would make the call you suggest. Have I seen it both ways? Yes indeed. Are you correct in your reading of the rule? Yes indeed. Is it ever usually called the way you suggest? Almost never. And in this case, good clean, hard nosed baseball. Solid no-call by the umpire. And, as you state, no impact on the game. And wow, what a game!

 

Here is the wording from the book on an illegal slide :

 

ART. 2 . . . A slide is illegal if:

a. the runner uses a rolling, cross-body or pop-up slide into the fielder, or

b. the runner’s raised leg is higher than the fielder’s knee when the fielder is

in a standing position, or

c. the runner goes beyond the base and then makes contact with or alters the

play of the fielder, or

d. the runner slashes or kicks the fielder with either leg, or

e. the runner tries to injure the fielder, or

f. the runner, on a force play, does not slide on the ground and in a direct line

between the two bases.

 

8-4-2

 

"ART. 2 . . . Any runner is out when he:

 

2. When a play is being made on a runner or batter-runner, he establishes

his baseline as directly between his position and the base toward

which he is moving.

b. does not legally slide and causes illegal contact and/or illegally alters the

actions of a fielder in the immediate act of making a play, or on a force play,

does not slide in a direct line between the bases; or

1. A runner may slide in a direction away from the fielder to avoid making

contact or altering the play of the fielder.

2. Runners are never required to slide, but if a runner elects to slide, the

slide must be legal. (2-32-1, 2) Jumping, hurdling, and leaping are all

legal attempts to avoid a fielder as long as the fielder is lying on the

ground. Diving over a fielder is illegal."

 

 

BD - the problem with your thinking is that it clearly violates the intent of the rule which is to prevent injuries. That's the only reason the rule exists. As an umpire you don't get to choose which rules you enforce and using the "good, clean, hard-nosed baseball play" rationaliztion is 100% wrong. The NFHS does not consider this to be "clean" , thus, the reason for the Point of Emphasis.

Ron "iceman" Arnsparger does not get calls wrong!!

 

What color is the sky in your world BG09?