So . . . you do not believe in treating everyone equally?

 

No I do not, not by any stretch of the imagination. People should be treated fairly and justly, this is not always equally.

No I do not, not by any stretch of the imagination. People should be treated fairly and justly, this is not always equally.

 

 

Nice.........

Treating everyone equally is treating every one the same that is what equality means. i prefer we treat everyone fairly which would mean a more progressive tax

 

No I do not, not by any stretch of the imagination. People should be treated fairly and justly, this is not always equally.

 

You're very generous....with OTHER PEOPLE'S money..........

Ace, who gets to define fairness and justice, YOU?

Equality of opportunity does not exist. It does not exist in the United States. It does not exist in any country. If you want to argue that rigid hierarchies or barriers to class mobility do not exist in the United States, you would be on solid ground. But, to argue that equal opportunity exists is beyond pollyannaish.

 

I though I would make a separate thread for discussion.

 

Disgusting that you have such a poor view of America.

Equality of opportunity does not exist. It does not exist in the United States. It does not exist in any country. If you want to argue that rigid hierarchies or barriers to class mobility do not exist in the United States, you would be on solid ground. But, to argue that equal opportunity exists is beyond pollyannaish.

 

I though I would make a separate thread for discussion.

 

I don't think there's any argument that it exists. Never has and I don't thnk it ever will.

Disgusting that you have such a poor view of America.

 

So when Obama and the democrats in congress change some policies, with which you disagree will YOU then have a disgustingly poor view of America?

 

Again, come into my school building and tell all of my kids that they have had the SAME opportunities that my two family children have had. After they quit laughing, they will cuss you, as they are prone to do, and tell you that they have not had the same opportunities.

So when Obama and the democrats in congress change some policies, with which you disagree will YOU then have a disgustingly poor view of America?

 

Again, come into my school building and tell all of my kids that they have had the SAME opportunities that my two family children have had. After they quit laughing, they will cuss you, as they are prone to do, and tell you that they have not had the same opportunities.

That's ashame they believe they don't have the same opportunities as your childern. Are they not sitting in the same school?

Ace, who gets to define fairness and justice, YOU?

 

 

That seems like a very fair and just question.

So when Obama and the democrats in congress change some policies, with which you disagree will YOU then have a disgustingly poor view of America?

 

Again, come into my school building and tell all of my kids that they have had the SAME opportunities that my two family children have had. After they quit laughing, they will cuss you, as they are prone to do, and tell you that they have not had the same opportunities.

 

I may not like the liberals policies, but will never digrace this great land.

 

I am tired of people just complaining and never doing anthing to overcome their situation. Why is it individuals from various Asian countries, who are of different skin color and even different faiths, can come to this country and overcome the same difficulties faced by others in this country? I believe it is because of people like Sharpton and Rangel who never attempt to encourage to work hard, but complain of injustices from 150 years ago. Those injustices were wrong, but everyone involved in that time era is long gone. We learn from the past and work for the future.

A reason that the Middle East is, has been in turmoil, is the hatreds that reach back centuries. Someone has to step up and let it go. Maybe we could learn from Nelson Mandela and take a look at how he reconciled the awful things that happened in South Africa.

I had a kid in my class (who is now in jail) say to me that G.W. Bush needed to start in his trailer park and see how far he could get in this world. It was a pretty interesting statement from a kid who hadn't had many breaks in life.

The trouble with the non-equality theory is that if even one trailer park dropout living in the 'hood makes it to the big time, then the theory is shot. Just one. If that happens the non-equality theorists have to say "it was luck," or some similar refrain, and then you just get into semantics over how many people have to make it before its not luck anymore, etc.

 

Everyone has the opportunity, the difference is that the access is much harder for some than for others. Maybe even for most than for others.

 

Now, if you non-equality theorists want to argue that opportunity = how many barriers you have to shoot down to get access, that is fine, but then you are only arguing a product of function, not of process.

I may not like the liberals policies, but will never digrace this great land.

 

I am tired of people just complaining and never doing anthing to overcome their situation. Why is it individuals from various Asian countries, who are of different skin color and even different faiths, can come to this country and overcome the same difficulties faced by others in this country? I believe it is because of people like Sharpton and Rangel who never attempt to encourage to work hard, but complain of injustices from 150 years ago. Those injustices were wrong, but everyone involved in that time era is long gone. We learn from the past and work for the future.

A reason that the Middle East is, has been in turmoil, is the hatreds that reach back centuries. Someone has to step up and let it go. Maybe we could learn from Nelson Mandela and take a look at how he reconciled the awful things that happened in South Africa.

This is one of the best posts I've read in a long time. I agree 100%. Oh, by the way you left out Jessie Jackson.

The trouble with the non-equality theory is that if even one trailer park dropout living in the 'hood makes it to the big time, then the theory is shot. Just one. If that happens the non-equality theorists have to say "it was luck," or some similar refrain, and then you just get into semantics over how many people have to make it before its not luck anymore, etc.

 

Everyone has the opportunity, the difference is that the access is much harder for some than for others. Maybe even for most than for others.

 

Now, if you non-equality theorists want to argue that opportunity = how many barriers you have to shoot down to get access, that is fine, but then you are only arguing a product of function, not of process.

 

But if we're talking equality of opportunity, does not the existance of additional barriers in itself prove the point? If we're running the 100 meters and in your lane you have hurdles and I don't. Do we both have equal opportunity to win the race? I'm not talking competing, I'm talking winning. Of course, with my body and speed you probably would still win, but you get the point.

The trouble with the non-equality theory is that if even one trailer park dropout living in the 'hood makes it to the big time, then the theory is shot. Just one. If that happens the non-equality theorists have to say "it was luck," or some similar refrain, and then you just get into semantics over how many people have to make it before its not luck anymore, etc.

 

Everyone has the opportunity, the difference is that the access is much harder for some than for others. Maybe even for most than for others.

 

Now, if you non-equality theorists want to argue that opportunity = how many barriers you have to shoot down to get access, that is fine, but then you are only arguing a product of function, not of process.

 

The nonexistence of equal opportunity does not mean changing circumstances or movement between classes is impossible, as I noted in the first post. Sure, some form of opportunity may exist, now matter how fleeting, but the fact that, in your words, "the access is much harder for some than for others" undermines the "equality" modifier.

Edited March 10, 200917 yr by Habib