They have not "eliminated" 7on7 in June, just 7on7 against outside competition. Teams can still get as many reps as they want.

 

You are right and thanks for the clarification, but I think most people following this issue were aware of what he meant.

7 on 7 is a great way to see how your kids COMPETE if nothing else. I'm not a throw the ball around guy, but I want to see hom my kid does when he's pushed. You can only see that so much with intrasquad competition.

7 on 7 is a great way to see how your kids COMPETE if nothing else. I'm not a throw the ball around guy, but I want to see hom my kid does when he's pushed. You can only see that so much with intrasquad competition.

 

I agree. New meat was what our coaches called scrimmages back in the day. I think it helps to see what you'll do against another teams #1's and not what they against their own J.V.'s. We are losing some valuable competitive measures.

Once again the kids suffer! Its amazing how college basketball coaches can attend AAU basketball games, but college football coaches can't attend combines. 7on 7 competitions were a great way for college coaches to see your kids in person. Now the kids have to pay out monies to attend camps and combines. I don't think that coaches will come and watch intersquad 7on7.

#1's against JV's breeds complacency. Which is not good for Friday night in September.

Some of those kids are playing basketball, but not with their high school teams ... and frankly, most basketball coaches I know aren't all that thrilled with their kids being so involved in AAU programs. These days, they're basically a necessary evil.

 

Very good post! AAU has probably hurt a lot of kids, especially if they are just worried about playing games and not worried about working on their fundamentals.

Basketball proves to be the king still yet in Ky. It is a shame that these rules have been changed to help the roundball in Ky. How many D-1 basketballers came from Ky in the last 2 years? How many football D-1 schollarships in that same time? Like it or not Ky is becoming a football state. I love and support basketball but we must be realistic.

 

7 on 7 against your own team is not a option for smaller schools b/c of the number of players. This will take Ky. back a step or two.

Basketball proves to be the king still yet in Ky. It is a shame that these rules have been changed to help the roundball in Ky. How many D-1 basketballers came from Ky in the last 2 years? How many football D-1 schollarships in that same time? Like it or not Ky is becoming a football state. I love and support basketball but we must be realistic.

 

7 on 7 against your own team is not a option for smaller schools b/c of the number of players. This will take Ky. back a step or two.

 

 

 

AMEN..... Morgan county is just figuring out that there are 2 seasons in the county: football season and getting ready for football season. In MC I'm actually very lucky. Coach Perry encourages the roundballers to play football. In a small school we need to share athletes.

 

I'm originally from PA so I don't buy the basketball is king stuff.

 

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If you force the kids to make a choice, they might not make the one you want them to.

The no football in June Proposal was Written by Scott Chalk, head basketball coach at Franklin County, also is involved in the KBA.

 

It was not backed by many football coaches other than those at strong basketball schools. It got passed before anyone knew really what was going in in the football end. My advice to football coaches is really police the practices and things that take place in July in your school's facilities especially with baseball and basketball.

I saw another e mail on the listserv advocating support for Sam's proposal, stating it will make things "equal" for all football programs. There's that agenda again to level the playing field and make things "equal". I seriously wish people would realize that, try as they might, things will never be "equal" in sports or in life. And I worry about the extremes that some people might advocate in their quest for all programs being "equal".

 

I can accept having a dead period to allow the kids some summer and time away from high school sports; I can accept not permitting two a days back to back to protect the kids health; I can even understand (although not necessarily agreeing with) the rule banning 7 on 7s during June to allow kids also playing basketball to participate in open gym bball practices. But Sam's proposal is motivated solely on trying to make things "equal", which I do not support because I find the concept as socialistic. I don't think it will be long before some coaches who are supporting Sam's proposal to make teams equal will be pressuring the KHSAA to limit the number of kids permitted to be on a roster. Preposterous, some claim? Mark my words, if you can limit the number of practices a team can have before the first game, then you can limit the number of kids on a team's roster.

 

If you share my concerns, you better be contacting your team's AD and principal asap.

 

You could still get the same amount of practice time in. Instead of 3 in one day have 2 longer ones or 1 long one instead of 2. Now if they want to limit the amount of total hours a team can practice that would be a diferent story.

#1's against JV's breeds complacency. Which is not good for Friday night in September.

 

Preach it, brother!!!!!!

Every year folks mess up high school football. Sometimes we just need to leave things alone. This is one of them. I coach at a school that starts August 1st every year. We are unable to get 2 -days in or have a chance to go to a team camp if they change this rule. We would be in school while others will have a chance to practice.

 

As for the June thing, the problem is most AD's in this state are basketball guys. That is how it was passed. Not enough football coaches voting.

You could still get the same amount of practice time in. Instead of 3 in one day have 2 longer ones or 1 long one instead of 2. Now if they want to limit the amount of total hours a team can practice that would be a diferent story.

 

Without even starting the debate on the merits/benefits one long practice vs two shorter practices, it will just be a matter of time until another rule change is proposed to limit the number of hours of practice permitted in the grand socialistic quest for equality.

 

If a school starts earlier than another, which affords the later starting school more practice time, why do we penalize the school that starts later? It's nothing other than "my school's start date hurts me so you should get hurt too", which is counterproductive to improving high school football in Ky. in my opinion.

IMO this is a very elitest response. If we want to work harder, then let us. Come on now, I don't think that this has anything to do with the proposal at hand. What about the schools who want to "work hard" but because school starts August 3 they are relegated to one practice a day at that point. What Coach Harp call for is consistency IMO. No one school deserves more practice time than another, it is up to that coaching staff to create a plan to maximize thier time.

 

Total practices is what the NCAA has been doing for years, and it works well for them. This used to not be an issue with August 1 being the starting date and you had a two weeks of practice before the first scrimmage. Schools hadn't started yet. With the implementaion of the year around calendar, the KHSAA put in the current system. I think that Coach Harp's plan is the most consistent, I wouldn't say fair!

IMO this is a very elitest response. If we want to work harder, then let us. Come on now, I don't think that this has anything to do with the proposal at hand. What about the schools who want to "work hard" but because school starts August 3 they are relegated to one practice a day at that point. What Coach Harp call for is consistency IMO. No one school deserves more practice time than another, it is up to that coaching staff to create a plan to maximize thier time.

 

Total practices is what the NCAA has been doing for years, and it works well for them. This used to not be an issue with August 1 being the starting date and you had a two weeks of practice before the first scrimmage. Schools hadn't started yet. With the implementaion of the year around calendar, the KHSAA put in the current system. I think that Coach Harp's plan is the most consistent, I wouldn't say fair!

 

 

I hear you but I don't think it's being elitist at all. If a school board in N. Ky told its football program that they can only practice M, W and F, would you expect the KHSAA to implement a rule that permitted all other schools to only practice on those days in the name of consistency? How is that any different? A bit extreme I'll admit, but similar logic. Or if a school district elects not to permit out of district students to pay tuition and attend, would you expect the KHSAA to implement a rule that makes all out of district students ineligible for athletics? The bottom line for my irritation with Sam's proposal is that a locally imposed decision (start date) is going to be crammed down all other school districts. That bothers me.

Edited March 9, 200917 yr by leatherneck