The theory sounds great. The reality is very different. You create a business, and you do reinvest back into the company, but you move your operations overseas, and you hire people in foreign countries to receive those paychecks, which are lower than you'd pay an American wage earner. (Apologies to all grammar freaks like myself for the extreme run-on sentence).

 

As to the last paragraph....I'll ponder that for a while. Not sure what I think of it yet.

 

Not being rude...but what you just stated is TOTALLY false. I want you to do me a favor and research how much of our current workforce is hired by small business. The numbers are going to suprise you. You are also basically only talking about manufacturing jobs...so it isnt fair to only use one sector of our workforce to support your argument.

The reality is not so different as many more jobs are created by small businesses in the country than are moved overseas by the large corporations.

 

Very accurate post...

Not being rude...but what you just stated is TOTALLY false. I want you to do me a favor and research how much of our current workforce is hired by small business. The numbers are going to suprise you. You are also basically only talking about manufacturing jobs...so it isnt fair to only use one sector of our workforce to support your argument.

 

 

OK. Tell me where the line workers find employment when the jobs are gone? Tell me where they find jobs equal in pay and benefits? Where do the customer service jobs shipped overseas reappear? Small business takes care of some. But, when you're talking about massive layoffs and cuts in the high-paying manufacturing industries (auto work, etc), where does small business fill those, and how?

 

What small businesses are creating jobs now? What industries are those businesses in.

 

I'm not TOTALLY false. And you're not TOTALLY right.

OK. Tell me where the line workers find employment when the jobs are gone? Tell me where they find jobs equal in pay and benefits? Where do the customer service jobs shipped overseas reappear? Small business takes care of some. But, when you're talking about massive layoffs and cuts in the high-paying manufacturing industries (auto work, etc), where does small business fill those, and how?

 

What small businesses are creating jobs now? What industries are those businesses in.

 

I'm not TOTALLY false. And you're not TOTALLY right.

The Ameristop Food Mart down the street from me needs 2 cashiers .

OK. Tell me where the line workers find employment when the jobs are gone? Tell me where they find jobs equal in pay and benefits? Where do the customer service jobs shipped overseas reappear? Small business takes care of some. But, when you're talking about massive layoffs and cuts in the high-paying manufacturing industries (auto work, etc), where does small business fill those, and how?

 

What small businesses are creating jobs now? What industries are those businesses in.

 

I'm not TOTALLY false. And you're not TOTALLY right.

 

That is actually a market correction. The auto industry has operated for years under a doomed system. You also do realize that every major company and employer in this country at one time or another was a small business. Companies dont just start day 1 as GE. And to anwer your question...most jobs being created today are in small business. The entreprenual spirit is to create business where there is a void and/or need....in all industries.

It is a waste of time answering one who equates abortion with the death penalty. Both are wrong but the former kills our most innocent and vulnerable while the latter kills a convicted predator on society. I also believe that not all sin is of an equal degree.

 

And, for you others who disagree, anyone who so openly wages war against the most vulnerable and innocent and shows a complete disregard for the sanctity of life is not my president. Compromise your beliefs under the superficial guise of unity and "respect" for the office if you must. I won't do so. I have always been taught that one earns respect. Your president has not done so and, from his first 50 days of attack on basic Christian tenets, it is unlikely that he will ever do so. So, like it or not, he is your president- not mine.

Whoa there partner. I'm very Pro-Life, this is also another reason I'm not an Obama fan, but to tell any of us we're compromising our beliefs is over the top and just flat out wrong. You're an American and an adult, the "he's not my president" mantra isn't exactly speaking true to either of the two. I don't know you, but I understand your passion, I just don't think you’re going about it in a positive way, and I'm the king of that sort of thing. Just ask around.

If you try to tell people like me, and the good people on this board that disagree with me pretty much daily, that if they disagree with you then they're compromising their beliefs you aren't going to accomplish anything and your message will be lost. These are good people, as mad as I make them sometimes I feel they respect me and I know I respect them. In all fairness, you aren't giving them the respect that they absolutely have earned and in turn you won't be gaining the respect in this forum that you should get. I hope I don't sound too "preachy" to you; I'm just trying to give you the benefit of some of my past mistakes here in P&R.

It is a waste of time answering one who equates abortion with the death penalty. Both are wrong but the former kills our most innocent and vulnerable while the latter kills a convicted predator on society. I also believe that not all sin is of an equal degree.

 

And, for you others who disagree, anyone who so openly wages war against the most vulnerable and innocent and shows a complete disregard for the sanctity of life is not my president. Compromise your beliefs under the superficial guise of unity and "respect" for the office if you must. I won't do so. I have always been taught that one earns respect. Your president has not done so and, from his first 50 days of attack on basic Christian tenets, it is unlikely that he will ever do so. So, like it or not, he is your president- not mine.

 

Absolutes are absolutes, per an earlier post of yours. The Catholic Church is against the death penalty. According to you, anyone that votes for a candidate that supports the death penalty has compromised their faith (and I assume their salvation) and are hypocrites.

 

I just want to understand how you find candidates to vote for, say in the Bush/Kerry election. However, I understand that you can't answer that question and I understand why you can't answer that question.

Whoa there partner. I'm very Pro-Life, this is also another reason I'm not an Obama fan, but to tell any of us we're compromising our beliefs is over the top and just flat out wrong. You're an American and an adult, the "he's not my president" mantra isn't exactly speaking true to either of the two. I don't know you, but I understand your passion, I just don't think you’re going about it in a positive way, and I'm the king of that sort of thing. Just ask around.

If you try to tell people like me, and the good people on this board that disagree with me pretty much daily, that if they disagree with you then they're compromising their beliefs you aren't going to accomplish anything and your message will be lost. These are good people, as mad as I make them sometimes I feel they respect me and I know I respect them. In all fairness, you aren't giving them the respect that they absolutely have earned and in turn you won't be gaining the respect in this forum that you should get. I hope I don't sound too "preachy" to you; I'm just trying to give you the benefit of some of my past mistakes here in P&R.

 

:thumb: You hit the nail on the head. You, indeed, are well-respected, at least in my corner!

The Ameristop Food Mart down the street from me needs 2 cashiers .

 

:laugh: That's funny.

Whoa there partner. I'm very Pro-Life, this is also another reason I'm not an Obama fan, but to tell any of us we're compromising our beliefs is over the top and just flat out wrong. You're an American and an adult, the "he's not my president" mantra isn't exactly speaking true to either of the two. I don't know you, but I understand your passion, I just don't think you’re going about it in a positive way, and I'm the king of that sort of thing. Just ask around.

If you try to tell people like me, and the good people on this board that disagree with me pretty much daily, that if they disagree with you then they're compromising their beliefs you aren't going to accomplish anything and your message will be lost. These are good people, as mad as I make them sometimes I feel they respect me and I know I respect them. In all fairness, you aren't giving them the respect that they absolutely have earned and in turn you won't be gaining the respect in this forum that you should get. I hope I don't sound too "preachy" to you; I'm just trying to give you the benefit of some of my past mistakes here in P&R.

 

 

I appreciate your thoughts. However, I believe you are somewhat twisting what I am saying. My objection is to those who, though pro-life, are willing to overlook the fact that the president is unashamedly anti-life merely so they can be a "team player". I see that as selling out.

 

The position that abortion and capital punishment are of equal status is, I believe disingenuous. I fully realize that the Catholic Church is opposed to both. I respect that as a consistent position. However, since I have free will to decide for myself, I can conclude that, to me, abortion is an abomination and that capital punishment is, at worst, a necessary evil. I don't classify the most innocent and vulnerable who are given no legal consideration whatsoever with the convicted parasite who has been given due process (frivilous appeal after frivilous appeal) in our legal system for a quarter of a century or so.

 

Now, I obviously have some disagreement with the teachings of the Church on that issue. However, as in all cases, that is between God and me. Likewise, I'm not condemning any of you who wish to overlook certain issues and support your new president. That is between you and your Maker. However, don't tell me that I have an obligation to support him just because he lives in the White House because it sounds similar to what Germans were told concerning Hitler (Now don't go to pieces. I'm not calling your guy Hitler. However, the analogy as to blind loyalty in the face of revolutionary change is applicable.).

 

Dissent was seen as admirable and very pro-American during the Bush Administration. Now, the opposite is true. We are told that we are wrong if we do not support the new president. The inconsistency is obvious and calculated. I'm not buying into the "program" because, so far, it appears to run completely counter to many of the basic principles upon which this country was founded. Under these circumstances, respect or not matters not. I'll hold my ground. And, after all, one man's respect is another's folly.

I appreciate your thoughts. However, I believe you are somewhat twisting what I am saying. My objection is to those who, though pro-life, are willing to overlook the fact that the president is unashamedly anti-life merely so they can be a "team player". I see that as selling out.

 

The position that abortion and capital punishment are of equal status is, I believe disingenuous. I fully realize that the Catholic Church is opposed to both. I respect that as a consistent position. However, since I have free will to decide for myself, I can conclude that, to me, abortion is an abomination and that capital punishment is, at worst, a necessary evil. I don't classify the most innocent and vulnerable who are given no legal consideration whatsoever with the convicted parasite who has been given due process (frivilous appeal after frivilous appeal) in our legal system for a quarter of a century or so.

 

Now, I obviously have some disagreement with the teachings of the Church on that issue. However, as in all cases, that is between God and me. Likewise, I'm not condemning any of you who wish to overlook certain issues and support your new president. That is between you and your Maker. However, don't tell me that I have an obligation to support him just because he lives in the White House because it sounds similar to what Germans were told concerning Hitler (Now don't go to pieces. I'm not calling your guy Hitler. However, the analogy as to blind loyalty in the face of revolutionary change is applicable.).

 

Dissent was seen as admirable and very pro-American during the Bush Administration. Now, the opposite is true. We are told that we are wrong if we do not support the new president. The inconsistency is obvious and calculated. I'm not buying into the "program" because, so far, it appears to run completely counter to many of the basic principles upon which this country was founded. Under these circumstances, respect or not matters not. I'll hold my ground. And, after all, one man's respect is another's folly.

 

The Church is opposed to both the DP and abortion. Its that simple. Any attempt to "rate" them is pure rationalization. By the way, I'm guilty of that rationalization although I oppose both. However, again, the Church is consistent unlike you and me.

 

If a pro-life pro-DP President occupied the office would he/she be "your" president?

The Church is opposed to both the DP and abortion. Its that simple. Any attempt to "rate" them is pure rationalization. By the way, I'm guilty of that rationalization although I oppose both. However, again, the Church is consistent unlike you and me.

 

If a pro-life pro-DP President occupied the office would he/she be "your" president?

 

He most likely would if he were also a capitalist rather than a socialist and if he were more concerned with the United States than with a global view. My distrust of this guy isn't limited to the pro-life issue.

 

I certainly respect the Church's unbending position. However, like most everyone in all denominations and groups, I don't necessarily line up in lock step with everything it teaches. As I said, in the end it is between each person and his or her Maker.

 

However, although I agree with you that the Church is consistent, I don't necessarily think you and I are inconsistent. I am consistent in my personal belief that abortion of an innocent is always far a more serious sin than is executing a parasite. But, that is my belief and I will have to answer for it.

In light of the fact that Obama continues to prove that he is the most pro-abortion, anti-life, anti-Christian president in our history, ?

 

He most likely would if he were also a capitalist rather than a socialist and if he were more concerned with the United States than with a global view. My distrust of this guy isn't limited to the pro-life issue.

 

I.

 

You'll certainly understand people's confusion on what exactly is your issue with President Obama.

 

So, if President Obama had an economic policy that lined up with yours, you would be able to overlook his stance on abortion and then be able to call him "your" president?

I appreciate your thoughts. However, I believe you are somewhat twisting what I am saying. My objection is to those who, though pro-life, are willing to overlook the fact that the president is unashamedly anti-life merely so they can be a "team player". I see that as selling out.

 

The position that abortion and capital punishment are of equal status is, I believe disingenuous. I fully realize that the Catholic Church is opposed to both. I respect that as a consistent position. However, since I have free will to decide for myself, I can conclude that, to me, abortion is an abomination and that capital punishment is, at worst, a necessary evil. I don't classify the most innocent and vulnerable who are given no legal consideration whatsoever with the convicted parasite who has been given due process (frivilous appeal after frivilous appeal) in our legal system for a quarter of a century or so.

 

Now, I obviously have some disagreement with the teachings of the Church on that issue. However, as in all cases, that is between God and me. Likewise, I'm not condemning any of you who wish to overlook certain issues and support your new president. That is between you and your Maker. However, don't tell me that I have an obligation to support him just because he lives in the White House because it sounds similar to what Germans were told concerning Hitler (Now don't go to pieces. I'm not calling your guy Hitler. However, the analogy as to blind loyalty in the face of revolutionary change is applicable.).

 

Dissent was seen as admirable and very pro-American during the Bush Administration. Now, the opposite is true. We are told that we are wrong if we do not support the new president. The inconsistency is obvious and calculated. I'm not buying into the "program" because, so far, it appears to run completely counter to many of the basic principles upon which this country was founded. Under these circumstances, respect or not matters not. I'll hold my ground. And, after all, one man's respect is another's folly.

I can agree with a lot of your points but I have to correct you on a couple of things. He's not my guy, he's my president because I'm an American and he's the guy that got elected. Just because I recognize that fact doesn't make me "loyal" to him, mean I support everything he does or that you have to "support" him. I'm very much against Obama's positions on most things and I think he's proved thus far to be incompetent at best. However, he's still my president, and like it or not, yours.

I respect you position and your passion for your religion. :thumb:

I can agree with a lot of your points but I have to correct you on a couple of things. He's not my guy, he's my president because I'm an American and he's the guy that got elected. Just because I recognize that fact doesn't make me "loyal" to him, mean I support everything he does or that you have to "support" him. I'm very much against Obama's positions on most things and I think he's proved thus far to be incompetent at best. However, he's still my president, and like it or not, yours.

I respect you position and your passion for your religion. :thumb:

 

RTS, we do not agree on much but I do agree with you on this statement. I also respect your opinion, and our rights as Americans, to have different opinions than those who are elected to office!