Who does it help?

 

 

How does it help everyone?

In light of the fact that Obama continues to prove that he is the most pro-abortion, anti-life, anti-Christian president in our history, I am curious as to how some of my fellow Catholics continue to support him. Absolutes are absolutes. There is no room for a Catholic to compromise on the issue of life and I would hope the Church takes a tough stand against the appeasers in government who do so.

 

The need for "change" isn't an excuse particularly when you see what change he has in mind.

 

Where am I worng?

The more excess capital I am left available through my small business by a reduction in marginal tax rates, the more I will spend on growing my business through technology purchases, new hires, advertising, and related expansion. Simply put, when there is more money in my small business account because there is less money being taken in quarterly tax and payroll, that money is utilized on technology, advertising, new hires, etc. That creates more business for me, which results in more revenue, which results in more jobs, etc. etc. etc.

 

You now have the personal testimony of a small business accountant and a small busiess attorney in this thread, that "trickle-down" economics is a viable economic theory that has aided our small businesses in the past.

 

One of my chief problems with President Obama is that the testimony of millions of small business owners like myself and TTC, nationwide, are lost in the fatuous drivel of news stories about golden parachutes and "corporate greed." We are all lumped in with one another.

In light of the fact that Obama continues to prove that he is the most pro-abortion, anti-life, anti-Christian president in our history, I am curious as to how some of my fellow Catholics continue to support him. Absolutes are absolutes. There is no room for a Catholic to compromise on the issue of life and I would hope the Church takes a tough stand against the appeasers in government who do so.

 

The need for "change" isn't an excuse particularly when you see what change he has in mind.

 

Where am I worng?

 

Then I assume you're also against the death penalty?

Then I assume you're also against the death penalty?

 

As a matter of fact, I do oppose the death penalty. However, I still find your analogy to be ridiculous. It is, of course, often used by you appeasers who try to walk an invisible tightrope dividing your political beliefs and your spiritual obligations.

 

Although I oppose both, the similarities between abortion and capital punishment are non-existent except for the taking of a life. Those who receive the death penalty usually spend anywhere from 15-25 years appealing the sentence and, thus, most never receive the penalty. Their sentences are either commuted or they die of natural causes (or a similar cause) in prison.

 

You see, these criminals are given due process (14th Amendment) over and over and over, ad naseum.

 

What about the preborn? They receive no due process and, in fact, no consideration whatsoever. They are merely "blobs" with no civil rights or civil consideration. And now, thanks to your president (certainly not mine), the innocent will become even more of a marketable commodity to be bought, sold, abused, and dehumanized.

 

I can reconcile those who oppose both. I can reconcile those who support capital punishment and oppose abortion. I can even reconcile (though I vehemently disagree with) those who support both.

 

However, there is no legitimate argument for supporting abortion and opposing capital punishment. This belief lacks even a scintilla of integrity.

 

If I go against the teachings of the Catholic Church, I have no business attending that Church. I need to find your president's church- assuming he really has one now.

 

This issue, to a Catholic (and to many others) is not negotiable nor can it be rationalized. You should know that.

As a matter of fact, I do oppose the death penalty. However, I still find your analogy to be ridiculous. It is, of course, often used by you appeasers who try to walk an invisible tightrope dividing your political beliefs and your spiritual obligations.

 

Although I oppose both, the similarities between abortion and capital punishment are non-existent except for the taking of a life. Those who receive the death penalty usually spend anywhere from 15-25 years appealing the sentence and, thus, most never receive the penalty. Their sentences are either commuted or they die of natural causes (or a similar cause) in prison.

 

You see, these criminals are given due process (14th Amendment) over and over and over, ad naseum.

 

What about the preborn? They receive no due process and, in fact, no consideration whatsoever. They are merely "blobs" with no civil rights or civil consideration. And now, thanks to your president (certainly not mine), the innocent will become even more of a marketable commodity to be bought, sold, abused, and dehumanized.

 

I can reconcile those who oppose both. I can reconcile those who support capital punishment and oppose abortion. I can even reconcile (though I vehemently disagree with) those who support both.

 

However, there is no legitimate argument for supporting abortion and opposing capital punishment. This belief lacks even a scintilla of integrity.

 

If I go against the teachings of the Catholic Church, I have no business attending that Church. I need to find your president's church- assuming he really has one now.

 

This issue, to a Catholic (and to many others) is not negotiable nor can it be rationalized. You should know that.

 

I actually am against abortion. But I feel that making abortion illegal will not end abortion. So, I choose to base my voting on the person I think will do the best for the entire country, and do my best to work on attacking the REASONS women choose abortion. The solution isn't to make it illegal. The solution is in helping women see that there are better choices. The solution is in helping young girls learn to value themselves and not get themselves into that situation.

I actually am against abortion. But I feel that making abortion illegal will not end abortion. So, I choose to base my voting on the person I think will do the best for the entire country, and do my best to work on attacking the REASONS women choose abortion. The solution isn't to make it illegal. The solution is in helping women see that there are better choices. The solution is in helping young girls learn to value themselves and not get themselves into that situation.

 

Weak in my opinion. Would you apply the same flawed analysis to other wrongs? Supporting your president is tantamount to supporting the wholesale dehumanization of the most innocent of our brothers and sisters. I just presented the facts in accordance with the longstanding and consistent teachings of my faith. Rationalize as you choose. That is your decision. I figure that I have goodly number of issues to answer for but failing to completely support the most vulnerable of God's children won't be one of them.

I actually am against abortion. But I feel that making abortion illegal will not end abortion. So, I choose to base my voting on the person I think will do the best for the entire country, and do my best to work on attacking the REASONS women choose abortion. The solution isn't to make it illegal. The solution is in helping women see that there are better choices. The solution is in helping young girls learn to value themselves and not get themselves into that situation.

 

Making murder illegal isn't going to stop murders from occuring. Making rape illegal isn't going to stop rapes from occuring. So should we just allow them to be legal as well?

Weak in my opinion. Would you apply the same flawed analysis to other wrongs? Supporting your president is tantamount to supporting the wholesale dehumanization of the most innocent of our brothers and sisters. I just presented the facts in accordance with the longstanding and consistent teachings of my faith. Rationalize as you choose. That is your decision. I figure that I have goodly number of issues to answer for but failing to completely support the most vulnerable of God's children won't be one of them.

 

So who do you vote for if you can't vote for pro-choice or pro-death penalty candidates?

As a matter of fact, I do oppose the death penalty. However, I still find your analogy to be ridiculous. It is, of course, often used by you appeasers who try to walk an invisible tightrope dividing your political beliefs and your spiritual obligations.

 

Although I oppose both, the similarities between abortion and capital punishment are non-existent except for the taking of a life. Those who receive the death penalty usually spend anywhere from 15-25 years appealing the sentence and, thus, most never receive the penalty. Their sentences are either commuted or they die of natural causes (or a similar cause) in prison.

 

You see, these criminals are given due process (14th Amendment) over and over and over, ad naseum.

 

What about the preborn? They receive no due process and, in fact, no consideration whatsoever. They are merely "blobs" with no civil rights or civil consideration. And now, thanks to your president (certainly not mine), the innocent will become even more of a marketable commodity to be bought, sold, abused, and dehumanized.

 

I can reconcile those who oppose both. I can reconcile those who support capital punishment and oppose abortion. I can even reconcile (though I vehemently disagree with) those who support both.

 

However, there is no legitimate argument for supporting abortion and opposing capital punishment. This belief lacks even a scintilla of integrity.

 

If I go against the teachings of the Catholic Church, I have no business attending that Church. I need to find your president's church- assuming he really has one now.

 

This issue, to a Catholic (and to many others) is not negotiable nor can it be rationalized. You should know that.

 

Do you think that the death penalty is a lesser sin than abortion?

Do you think that the death penalty is a lesser sin than abortion?

 

A sin is a sin. As I said before, I oppose both. However, I do believe that those who equate the two are being disingenous. How does one put the killing of a convicted murderer who has had over two decades of appeals on the same level with one of our most innocent whose own mother is, in truth, a willing accomplice to his or her destruction? If I were to justify one, it would clearly be the former. No one can honestly justify the latter. And, that is true even when that travesty is disguised as the advancement of medical science. Abominable.

 

Some of you may not like how I word my posts on this subject but, in this matter, political correctness isn't appropriate.

 

You go with your president and his political philosophy and I'll go with my church and its unwavering teachings.

A sin is a sin. As I said before, I oppose both. However, I do believe that those who equate the two are being disingenous. .

 

So the Church is disingenuous?

Making murder illegal isn't going to stop murders from occuring. Making rape illegal isn't going to stop rapes from occuring. So should we just allow them to be legal as well?

 

 

No. I'm not getting into an abortion debate in this thread.

 

I, just as any Christian, Muslim, or any other denomination, do everything I can, and struggle with the choices we're offered as candidates for our leadership. Judge me as you may. Misinterpret my intentions and my beliefs as you will. I am firm in my belief that regardless of the legality or illegality of abortion, I can choose to support a candidate I think is wholly unsuited for the position of POTUS, and hope that abortion is overturned. Or I can support the candidate that I feel is the best for this country, and hope that abortion is overturned. Regardless of the candidate elected, and whether abortion is overturned, my responsibility is hands on, day to day. It's not to rest on my religious conviction, denouncing the rest of the country's voters and praying for everyone's souls. It's influencing the people who are facing the choice of abortion, and influencing the self-respect and morals of the people choosing the actions that lead them to choose abortion.

 

Call it weak, as Wryostek did, call it whatever you will. You can't simplify the issue down to legality or illegality. It's much more serious, and much more complex than that. And it's really frustrating to listen to many people who feel their responsibility ends when casting their vote, and making sure to pray for the souls of the unborn. I hope at least some prayers are being said for the souls of those who made such a regrettable decision, and prayers are said for those who may be pondering a decision. That would be at least one step.

No. I'm not getting into an abortion debate in this thread.

 

I, just as any Christian, Muslim, or any other denomination, do everything I can, and struggle with the choices we're offered as candidates for our leadership. Judge me as you may. Misinterpret my intentions and my beliefs as you will. I am firm in my belief that regardless of the legality or illegality of abortion, I can choose to support a candidate I think is wholly unsuited for the position of POTUS, and hope that abortion is overturned. Or I can support the candidate that I feel is the best for this country, and hope that abortion is overturned. Regardless of the candidate elected, and whether abortion is overturned, my responsibility is hands on, day to day. It's not to rest on my religious conviction, denouncing the rest of the country's voters and praying for everyone's souls. It's influencing the people who are facing the choice of abortion, and influencing the self-respect and morals of the people choosing the actions that lead them to choose abortion.

 

Call it weak, as Wryostek did, call it whatever you will. You can't simplify the issue down to legality or illegality. It's much more serious, and much more complex than that. And it's really frustrating to listen to many people who feel their responsibility ends when casting their vote, and making sure to pray for the souls of the unborn. I hope at least some prayers are being said for the souls of those who made such a regrettable decision, and prayers are said for those who may be pondering a decision. That would be at least one step.

 

I'm not judging you since it is also a sin for me to judge others. I indeed do pray for those who choose to kill their babies but I pray a good bit more for the innocents who are deprived of the God given right to be born. They, afterall, are the victims and not the women who decide to butcher them. I agree that the issue is serious but it isn't complex. The issue is quite clear- either we believe in the sanctity of human life or we don't. No compromise. To compromise is to dehumanize the issue and to break one of the most reverent and basic tenets of our church. We have no choice in this matter.

 

McCain was pitiful. Your president is dangerous. But, then, he never tried to hide his agenda during the campaign, did he?

I'm not judging you since it is also a sin for me to judge others. I indeed do pray for those who choose to kill their babies but I pray a good bit more for the innocents who are deprived of the God given right to be born. They, afterall, are the victims and not the women who decide to butcher them. I agree that the issue is serious but it isn't complex. The issue is quite clear- either we believe in the sanctity of human life or we don't. No compromise. To compromise is to dehumanize the issue and to break one of the most reverent and basic tenets of our church. We have no choice in this matter.

 

McCain was pitiful. Your president is dangerous. But, then, he never tried to hide his agenda during the campaign, did he?

 

 

Not to steer this further off course, but more than once you've said "your president". Am I correct in drawing the conclusion that you don't consider President Obama your president?