I just got my power back on:dancingpa:banana::banana::dancingpa

 

so to answer your question, I have said it before and I'll say it again, I was taught to respect my opponent by shaking his hand after the game and telling him good game. I think it is just as disrespectful to not play 100%. If you can't give your all and play your best because you have a weaker opponent, then tell them not to schedule you anymore. I have no problems whatsoever with being a coach or watching my son taking a beating like that. Hopefully it'll teach me to not schedule teams like that and it'll teach my son that sometimes no matter how hard you work there just may be someone better than you. It's called a life lesson. Learn from it and move on.

 

Well said, PurplePride.

 

I think we've beaten this horse to death :deadhorse: (I've been wanting to use that! :bunny:)... however, it is worth pointing out that we've debated two points here...

 

1) big scoring margins. As I've already stated clearly, I would also take it personally if I felt someone wasn't giving their best against me. I've taken my lumps - sometimes by big scores - but that's the way it is. Sometimes you're the bug...sometimes you're the windshield! I want you to play 110% against my team from tipoff to the final horn...anything else and you've cheated yourself, your team, your fans, and me. Run your offense and defense! I've seen coaches win by 10 who were coaching in an unsportsmanlike manner...and coaches who won by 50 who kept competing hard, yet did so in a way that allowed the other team to keep their dignity.

 

2) Unsportsmanlike conduct. Winning by large margins doesn't automatically constitute unsportsmanlike conduct. That said, saying "we're just playing hard" is hardly a valid excuse for a coach who refuses to conduct himself in a sportsmanlike manner. Doing things in a manner that seeks only to humiliate an opponent is unsportsmanlike, pure and simple.

 

A HS coach should be able to tell the difference between 1 and 2. Otherwise, they shouldn't be coaching.

I think its ridiculous at the shine people are cutting over these score's! If you dont want to get thumped don't play the game!! Yes we took plenty when I played and it didn't hurt me none!!! If anything it made me work harder to get better!!!! When these kids get out in the real world it isnt a piece of cake and if someone can beat them by a 1000 so to speak, they will!!!!! Quit whining and move on to the next one!!!!!!!!!!

Read no more ladies and gents. Well said Dale.:thumb::clap:

IMO it seems like Portland Christian doesn't play much defense. And anyone that is an athlete, or has been an athlete, knows that you can't go in and "not play" or try not to score. I have played sports all my life and I have taken some beating and I have been on teams that have recieved them also, but what kind of message do you send your team to go into the game and tell them not to play hard, but the next week in practice you tell them to practice hard and good things will happen?

IMO it seems like Portland Christian doesn't play much defense. And anyone that is an athlete, or has been an athlete, knows that you can't go in and "not play" or try not to score. I have played sports all my life and I have taken some beating and I have been on teams that have recieved them also, but what kind of message do you send your team to go into the game and tell them not to play hard, but the next week in practice you tell them to practice hard and good things will happen?

 

The problem doesn't come when one team whips another by a big score. And if my kids don't play hard, they won't be in a game - regardless of who's winning or by how much. The problem comes - and I haven't heard from anyone who was at this game, so we really don't know how this game went down - when teams do something like what that Texas girls team did. In that game, the winners pressed full court with their starters until they reached 100...sorry - that's not defensible.

 

I've never seen a post from anyone who is suggesting the winning team shouldn't play hard, run their offense and defense, try to score, etc. (If so, sorry - I missed any post to that effect)

Final from Covington. Holmes 58 - Cooper 20.

Holmes is the top rated team in the state with a roster laden with D-1 prospects. Cooper High School is in its first year of existence, has no seniors and fields what would otherwise be a rookie JV squad. Holmes could probably have put up triple figures + but that is not Coach Henley's style. He is a good enough Coach to win the state. He is also a good enough Coach to give his team a workout, win big, but not humiliate the kids on the other team.

Final from Covington. Holmes 58 - Cooper 20.

Holmes is the top rated team in the state with a roster laden with D-1 prospects. Cooper High School is in its first year of existence, has no seniors and fields what would otherwise be a rookie JV squad. Holmes could probably have put up triple figures + but that is not Coach Henley's style. He is a good enough Coach to win the state. He is also a good enough Coach to give his team a workout, win big, but not humiliate the kids on the other team.

 

Very well said. You know if they had wanted to they could have run the score up and maybe moved to #1 in the Cantrell Ratings.

 

That shows a lot of class from Holmes.:thumb:

I just got my power back on:dancingpa:banana::banana::dancingpa

 

so to answer your question, I have said it before and I'll say it again, I was taught to respect my opponent by shaking his hand after the game and telling him good game. I think it is just as disrespectful to not play 100%. If you can't give your all and play your best because you have a weaker opponent, then tell them not to schedule you anymore. I have no problems whatsoever with being a coach or watching my son taking a beating like that. Hopefully it'll teach me to not schedule teams like that and it'll teach my son that sometimes no matter how hard you work there just may be someone better than you. It's called a life lesson. Learn from it and move on.

 

One other major coaching and teaching moment you would miss. You like to run and press it seems.

 

At some point, you will come across a team that is not going to allow you to do that.

 

And at that point, you will need to be able to execute your 1/2 court offense and defense.

 

You just missed an opportunity to do both while you were trying to beat a team's skulls in.

 

You could have taken your kids and told them, we are going to work on learning to execute our 1/2 court offense. They are in a zone and I want us to work on this play for the next 2-3 minutes. In this play, we want the ball at the FT line or dumping it into the block. No shots unless that is where we get the shot. Work on patience, work on execution and work on your offensive timing.

 

What a great opportunity to coach you just missed because you wanted to beat them by as much as you could.

 

Coaching is NOT just about beating a team by as many as you can. Coaching is about TEACHING. When you get that, it seems you will be an excellent coach.

Classless to win by 95 points, enough said.

Final thats within 5 points of being as bad as the texas girls score of 100-0

any chance PRP will go home and think this one over and then forefit.:irked:

 

The difference in score is not the main point. The main point in the 100-0 high school girls game, is the difference in score, while holding a team to zero.

Classless to win by 95 points, enough said.

You know I see this word used often in threads, were the score is out of hand.

 

Let me ask the following then....

 

You indicate it's classless to beat someone by this margin and even say 95 points. What term would best describe a program, that allows their team to get beat by 95?

Classless to win by 95 points, enough said.

 

You cannot make this judgement by seeing just the score of the game. What if....

 

-The starters played only one quarter?

-A defensive press was never implemented?

-The "third string" started and played the whole game?

 

These are only a few things, but what if, tactics like those were used by the winning team. Could you then deem the win classless, if the team still won by 95?

You know I see this word used often in threads, were the score is out of hand.

 

Let me ask the following then....

 

You indicate it's classless to beat someone by this margin and even say 95 points. What term would best describe a program, that allows their team to get beat by 95?

 

Terrible?

You know I see this word used often in threads, were the score is out of hand.

 

Let me ask the following then....

 

You indicate it's classless to beat someone by this margin and even say 95 points. What term would best describe a program, that allows their team to get beat by 95?

Usually the sign of a small school who has ebbs and flows of athletes that come through the school. There are always ways to keep the score to a much lesser differential while not patronizing the other team. Comments throughout this thread that states otherwise must be written by those who have not coached basketball.

Usually the sign of a small school who has ebbs and flows of athletes that come through the school. There are always ways to keep the score to a much lesser differential while not patronizing the other team. Comments throughout this thread that states otherwise must be written by those who have not coached basketball.

I've stated on BGP many times, when scores like these happen it's the result of two factors. One team is very good and the other, is incapable of stopping them.

 

When starters leave the game from the very good team, you will have reserves who want to play. When starters leave from the team not capable of stopping the other, they too want to play. The result is a game, in which you have a lopsided result magnified by the differing talent.

 

We can't label one Coach classless, because his team can score and then say nothing about the other Coach, who allows his team to get beat by 95. My point in all of this, simply that sometimes regardless of game plan, the result is going to be a wide margin.

You cannot make this judgement by seeing just the score of the game. What if....

 

-The starters played only one quarter?

-A defensive press was never implemented?

-The "third string" started and played the whole game?

 

These are only a few things, but what if, tactics like those were used by the winning team. Could you then deem the win classless, if the team still won by 95?

No matter who you put on the floor, as a coach you can control the winning margin without embarrassing the other team. I coached an 8th grade game last weekend, where my team overmatched the opponent and we won by 25 points. The coach of the other team actually thanked me after the game because the differential could have been 50+ in 6 minute quarters. I stopped all fast breaks, ran plays with my second string players who played almost the whole game. This slowed the game down. If PRP would have done that, no way they put that # of points up. At no point did I tell my team to not play hard nor be intense on defense, etc. You don't want to teach bad habits. But, you can control how the game is run when you are that dominant and you can do it without playing easy or missing shots on purpose, etc.