passtheball Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 At the half way point of this season, who are some of the better point guards that you've seen this year? They don't get mentioned as much as the scoring leaders because they are the ones setting up the scorers. Let's give them their due! Please use this criteria before giving your answer: Floor leader Makes players around him better Great handles Looks to create and set up his shooters Sees the floor well High assists/low turnovers Can score when needed Good Defense Doesn't have to have a high point average to be considered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueflyer Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Jamel Riley of Holmes. Also Kellen Smith of Scott. This kid is only a sophmore and leads NKY in assists. He is going to be something special at Scott and KY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Observer Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 9th region, I would go with 1. Riley- Holmes 2. Buettell- Beechwood 3. Gabbard- Boone Co. 4. Pangalo- NCC I'm sure I may have missed a couple but those are the top 4 off the top of my head. Blake Bryan for Villa Madonna plays a lot of point but IMO he is more of a shooting guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malachicrunch Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Pangalo/ NCC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidelinecoach Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Ethan Fualkner will head this list, but you must Sub "Great Defense" for good defense & add "Tremendous Rebounder" when speaking of him. He meets & exceeds the criteria on your list. How many other point guards will guard the other teams best player whether he be an all-stater, or all-american. Whether he be 6'1" or 6'9" and do a good job on them. It was beautiful watching him guard CJ Penny in the 2nd half of that OT game last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9thregionbb Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Gabbard and Riley in the 9th, tops IMO can be flipped flopped 1 or 2, and the Pangallo boy is right there with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eta Rho Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Riley is hands down the best PG in nky and IMO one of the top 3 in the state. Shooting 50% from both the field and 3 point land: FG- 48-95 (51%) 3PT FG- 25-48 (52%) If there's another PG in the state that is shooting the ball that well, please let me know because IMO Riley is the best shooter in the state and the scouts that I've talked to tend to agree with me. The stats don't lie. Averaging 11 PPG, 3 APG, and 3 RPG on a team filled with "stars'. 76% Free throw shooter Great ball handler who doesn't commit many turnovers. And most importantly, the floor general for the #1 team in the state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happymeal Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Riley is hands down the best PG in nky and IMO one of the top 3 in the state. Shooting 50% from both the field and 3 point land: FG- 48-95 (51%) 3PT FG- 25-48 (52%) If there's another PG in the state that is shooting the ball that well, please let me know because IMO Riley is the best shooter in the state and the scouts that I've talked to tend to agree with me. The stats don't lie. Averaging 11 PPG, 3 APG, and 3 RPG on a team filled with "stars'. 76% Free throw shooter Great ball handler who doesn't commit many turnovers. And most importantly, the floor general for the #1 team in the state. Based on the criteria I agree with you 100% I think Gabbard is very solid but after that again based on the criteria(all catagories) it drops off pretty quick IMO. It woud be interesting to see true stats on turnovers vs assists on several of the point guards. Other than that everything is an opinion I guess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budman0209 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Riley is hands down the best PG in nky and IMO one of the top 3 in the state. Shooting 50% from both the field and 3 point land: FG- 48-95 (51%) 3PT FG- 25-48 (52%) If there's another PG in the state that is shooting the ball that well, please let me know because IMO Riley is the best shooter in the state and the scouts that I've talked to tend to agree with me. The stats don't lie. Averaging 11 PPG, 3 APG, and 3 RPG on a team filled with "stars'. 76% Free throw shooter Great ball handler who doesn't commit many turnovers. And most importantly, the floor general for the #1 team in the state. You mentioned scouts. Who is Riley being recruited by? Offers? I would have to think his size would be a huge issue. I know a couple of years Mike Hester really had trouble with offers because of his size. I thought Holmes was a much better team with Riley on the floor last year. Nice player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger1 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 You mentioned scouts. Who is Riley being recruited by? Offers? I would have to think his size would be a huge issue. I know a couple of years Mike Hester really had trouble with offers because of his size. I thought Holmes was a much better team with Riley on the floor last year. Nice player. What hurt Hester is that he is at best 5'8" and Riley is more like 6' or 6'1". 4 to 5 inches is a huge difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spindoc Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 PG's from Hazard, Scott Co., and Elliott are the 3 best I've seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eta Rho Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 You mentioned scouts. Who is Riley being recruited by? Offers? I would have to think his size would be a huge issue. I know a couple of years Mike Hester really had trouble with offers because of his size. I thought Holmes was a much better team with Riley on the floor last year. Nice player. I do some work with a local rivals site and am friends with some of the scouts who evaluate the talent in greater cincinnati and NKY. As of right now Riley doesn't have any offers and from what I know is getting looks but only from some of the bigger D2 schools. His size is his only downfall but his quickness makes up for it. If he were 6'2 or 6'3 he would be the biggest PG prospect in KY for the c/o 2009. (So the scouts tell me.) The college coaches who have come to watch the Johnson Brothers and Pittman LOVE Riley's game though and the way he carries himself. I was sitting with a scout at the Holmes/CCH game and while R. Johnson was having a HUGE all around game, all he kept talking about was how impressed he was with how well Riley handled the ball and got others involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eta Rho Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 What hurt Hester is that he is at best 5'8" and Riley is more like 6' or 6'1". 4 to 5 inches is a huge difference. Riley is listed at 5'11 but he's much taller than that. I'm 6'0 and he's taller than me. Henley tends to downplay the size of his players when listing them unlike other coaches who go overboard and give their players 2 or 3 inches more than what they really are.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4pointplay Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Based on the criteria I agree with you 100% I think Gabbard is very solid but after that again based on the criteria(all catagories) it drops off pretty quick IMO. It woud be interesting to see true stats on turnovers vs assists on several of the point guards. Other than that everything is an opinion I guess? From NKy.com stats Riley Holmes 45 assists & 38 Turnovers Gabbard Boone Co. 52 assists & 33 turnovers Pangallo NewCath 63 assists & 36 turnovers Beuttel Beechwood 48 assists & 33 turnovers Smith Scott HS 93 assists & 57 turnovers Bryan Villa 51 assists & 49 turnovers Turnover to assist ratio is one way to judge PG's in addition to the other stats mentioned. Even this can be misleading as style of play can dictate difficulty of passes a PG is asked to make. A team that is constantly pushing the ball down the floor to create extra possessions will create additional assist for the PG but they will also have more turnovers as well. I don't think you could go wrong with any of the PG's on this list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
passtheball Posted January 16, 2009 Author Share Posted January 16, 2009 Based on the criteria I agree with you 100% I think Gabbard is very solid but after that again based on the criteria(all catagories) it drops off pretty quick IMO. It woud be interesting to see true stats on turnovers vs assists on several of the point guards. Other than that everything is an opinion I guess? Riley is a pure point. And he's got the people around to where if he throws a bullitt pass, their gonna finish and the assist gets logged in the book. A point with solid talent surrounding him doesn't get doubled or trapped and often times gets to exploit the other teams PG if they have ballhandling skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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