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We ran the 3-5-3 this past season. We are normally a 4-4 team, but we didn't have the linemen to run the 4-4 this year and switched it up.

 

The strengths for us were the unpredictable pressure we could bring. We are a blitz heavy defense and the pressure packages helped us this year. Another plus is the nose guard. Anytime you cover the center it provides and issue that offensive coordinators have fits dealing with, especially if he can beat a double team (We had a monster nose to deal with our first game this season. We couldn't stop him and they dropped 8 into coverage the entire game. We lost, hard!)

 

The biggest weakness, in my opinion, were our dogs (the hybrid guys). There is an old saying that a "master of everything is a master of nothing". These guys are okay at every aspect of the defensive game (coverage, run support, blitzing, tackling). It can be tough if you need them to cover a couple of good slot guys (we got beat in the title game because of this) or you need them to be the extra linemen against a power I or option team (this was another issue during our first game).

 

Overall I like the defense, but if I am ever a head coach I would run the 5-2 (3-4).

Frankfort runs the 3-5-3. They way they run this defense is to create pressure. Some of the basics are from Bob Redmonds scheme. The scheme is designed to put your best and fastest players on the field. Every play is a designed stunt. The kids have a lot of freedom, when a window opens they are allowed to take it. It works best against spread teams. It allows to put pressure from different spots on the field. The flanks (OLB) can create a lot of pressure off the edge. most Shotgun teams have a hard time protecting.

 

What hurts is when you face big power teams. Sometime your speed guys aren't as big to take the power.

Fire away.

What do you like best about this defense?

Biggest flaws in this defense?

 

 

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Hate it! :mad: Those 3 up front get doubled, crossed, kicked out etc. Unless you have some very hungry backers, you give up the run. At least we gave up the run over and over using it. :confused: Not to mention very little pressure on the QB against the pass.

Hate it! :mad: Those 3 up front get doubled, crossed, kicked out etc. Unless you have some very hungry backers, you give up the run. At least we gave up the run over and over using it. :confused: Not to mention very little pressure on the QB against the pass.

 

This isn't true. If - when you look at the "hand you've been dealt" (the personnel you have) - you find you have a lot of LB-type players, the 3-5-3 may well be the perfect base for you. The LBs can get quite a bit of pressure on the passer from the 3-5-3. The three down linemen need to be quick and agile, but their primary role is to occupy blockers, not make tackles or get pressure (though if they do, it's a bonus).

There is a number of teams that run the 3-3-5 or 3-5-3 as their base defense. Depending on who they are playing it will look like a 53 or a 40 front. One of the best coaches to talk to about it is the HC at Cincy St X. Yeah I know that is not KY just saying he is one of THE guys to talk to about.

 

We see more 3-3-5 or 3-5-3 fronts than anything now. It will look like a 53 or 52 to many. Honestly all the defense is hoenstly is the 53 with some adjustments. They can call them spurs, rats, bats, bandits or whatever it is just a 53 with some adjustments. It is like teams saying they run a 34 scheme when all that is, is a 52 with adjustments. It is easier to tell a kid we are recruiting to play OLBer instead of DE and DE instead of DT.

 

All the Oldham Co feeder schools run it. Lex Cath and all the Scott Co feeder programs run it. Holmes runs it or a version of it.

 

Ram I have that book.

 

Just to add something so everyone is on the same page. A 3-3-5/3-5-3 team does not mean you only see 3 defensive linemen and then just 3 LBers. There is a TON of adjusting and rolling of the LBers/DBs. West Virginia runs it.

 

 

You are correct; we see this a lot in Oldham County. In fact, it's probably become the most common defense I've seen around here in 2008...

The "kool aid" that they pass out about the defense is that you only need 3 DL. That few schools have enough good DL guys but have a ton of "LBer" types. Those DL better be pretty good to do what you ask them to do.

 

Redman's style of defense can be adapted to a number of different systems. It does mesh well with the different 30 fronts.

 

Every team we played that use it played it every down. It is not hard to get them into looks they do not like. This is one reason over the past few years you have seen more unbalanced twins sets. 2 TEs and power run sets are not friendly to it either

Barrel, I agree! This defense does allow you to be flexible. A team mey bring a bunch of guys and run man behind that. This doesn't necessarily make it a Redman prototype. I agree about the kool-aid. Like I mentioned earlier that the we have run this for 4 yrs. Too many teams don't have the players to run this D. As an OC i love to play teams that run this D when they don't have the personnel. If you can control the NG and isolate the OLBs in pass coverage you have the advantage.

Terrible defense to run in HS, IMO.

If the 3 DL's are aligned heads up on the center and two tackles and given two-gap responsibility, then it is very difficult to find the right personnel who command double-team respect. Most teams, however, revert to either an over or under one-gap responsibility with the NG in a 1-technique, one DE in a 3-technique, and the other DE in a 5-technique. In addition, one of the LB's will also sometimes assume a 3-point stance in a 5-technique on the weak side, so the alignment appears more like an even four-man front.

It is about movement. Just because kids line up head up does't mean they have to play 2 gap. In this defense you can have as many as 10 in the box to stop the run and be in good position to prtect against the pass. Any defense will work if you play it moving.

I've never been around anybody that 2 Gaps it across the board. Everywhere I've seen teams run it might 2 Gap the Nose some but it's a slant/angle defense too load the box + create pressure. You have 6 defenders between the tackles in the base which is a lot. People might hate it but teams like Lex Cath, Highlands, Cincy St X put tons of heat on with the team speed they have. The front isn't what I think the stress it's on. To me it's on your corners etc because a lot of teams will man up and say they can get too you before you can get the ball off. When you have athletes at corners like those teams haave it is a major headache! I've seen teams that don't have that kind of talent do well with it too. The base WVU + Joe Lee Dunn at Miss St used to run had the tackles loop C Gap so you have every gap covered inside. It's all about Gap Control. You have a lot of LBer type kids flying to the ball. I know you can play Cov 1+3 behind it. It has evolved where people will even get 2 deep. If you have more Linebackers then Dlinemen then it is the best I've seen unless you are going to play a 3-4 and get your secondary in run support.

Frankfort runs the 3-5-3. They way they run this defense is to create pressure. Some of the basics are from Bob Redmonds scheme. The scheme is designed to put your best and fastest players on the field. Every play is a designed stunt. The kids have a lot of freedom, when a window opens they are allowed to take it. It works best against spread teams. It allows to put pressure from different spots on the field. The flanks (OLB) can create a lot of pressure off the edge. most Shotgun teams have a hard time protecting.

 

What hurts is when you face big power teams. Sometime your speed guys aren't as big to take the power.

 

Which calls for a personnel adjustment, not a schematic adjustment.......:thumb:

Terrible defense to run in HS, IMO.

 

It depends on who is Driving the Bus.......:sssh:

It depends on who is Driving the Bus.......:sssh:

 

Also depends on what road that bus is traveling on. If you see a good deal of 2 TE power run type game it is just not your best choice. Just like a split 6 is not your best choice against a 4-5 wide throw it every down type defense. Now if you have the right horses for it then it handles itself just fine on the HS level. The teams that cause problems with it I think have more to do with talent then the scheme.