505.010 Entrapment.

(1) A person is not guilty of an offense arising out of proscribed conduct when:

(a) He was induced or encouraged to engage in that conduct by a public servant or by a person acting in cooperation with a public servant seeking to obtain evidence against him for the purpose of criminal prosecution; and

(b) At the time of the inducement or encouragement, he was not otherwise disposed to engage in such conduct.

(2) The relief afforded by subsection (1) is unavailable when:

(a) The public servant or the person acting in cooperation with a public servant merely affords the defendant an opportunity to commit an offense; or

(b) The offense charged has physical injury or the threat of physical injury as one (1) of its elements and the prosecution is based on conduct causing or threatening such injury to a person other than the person perpetrating the entrapment.

(3) The relief provided a defendant by subsection (1) is a defense.

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Word play is very important here. A public servant can't say "If I give you $20, will you let me in?" But he can say, "Is there anyway I can get into the game without a ticket?"

 

Seems like it will boil down to a "he said, she said" type of deal. Which does not bode well for the accused.

They should be letting people in to see the Bengals for free. From what I hear, most paying customers arent showing up.

 

:lol::lol:

I'm not exactly sure why this is "news". How many people get arrested every day for misdemeanor theft, yet we don't see them on the news?

 

 

Do you honestly think this is an isolated incident? Who knows how much money is stolen from the Reds and Bengals over the years. :scared:

Do you honestly think this is an isolated incident? Who knows how much money is stolen from the Reds and Bengals over the years. :scared:

 

Again it's not stolen from the Bengals. The games are sold out. It's a lot harder at Reds games b/c they have scanners and you have to walk around the ticket taker. Also the Reds offer $5 walkup tickets and if those are gone you can get in for $10. I've been to many games where I gave a ticket taker $20 and where we stand over 90% of the people there do the same w/ other ticket takers. You can't convince me that the Bengals didn't know about it.

Again it's not stolen from the Bengals. The games are sold out. It's a lot harder at Reds games b/c they have scanners and you have to walk around the ticket taker. Also the Reds offer $5 walkup tickets and if those are gone you can get in for $10. I've been to many games where I gave a ticket taker $20 and where we stand over 90% of the people there do the same w/ other ticket takers. You can't convince me that the Bengals didn't know about it.

 

I don't understand how you can justify this. What difference does it make that the games are techincall sold out? The money he collected was for himself. He works for the Bengals. His job isn't to line his own pockets. It's stealing! Because it happens, doesn't make it right. If you work somewhere where goods are sold, and technically, you have stuff that is being sent back (for whatever reason), and you...on the job...sell the stuff to random people and keep the money...it's stealing. This is no different.

I don't understand how you can justify this. What difference does it make that the games are techincall sold out? The money he collected was for himself. He works for the Bengals. His job isn't to line his own pockets. It's stealing! Because it happens, doesn't make it right. If you work somewhere where goods are sold, and technically, you have stuff that is being sent back (for whatever reason), and you...on the job...sell the stuff to random people and keep the money...it's stealing. This is no different.

 

 

I actually wasn't trying to justify it. I could care less what people think of me for going or for the guys that let people in. If you stood where I was for night games and big games against teams like the Colts the one year they were good you would understand. There were litterally thousands of people at the games that got in w/o tickets. I truly believe that the Brown family didn't care b/c of the amount of maney being spent by those people. We weren't stealing goods. We were entering a sold out sporting event. You may have heard of people doing it before.

I actually wasn't trying to justify it. I could care less what people think of me for going or for the guys that let people in. If you stood where I was for night games and big games against teams like the Colts the one year they were good you would understand. There were litterally thousands of people at the games that got in w/o tickets. I truly believe that the Brown family didn't care b/c of the amount of maney being spent by those people. We weren't stealing goods. We were entering a sold out sporting event. You may have heard of people doing it before.

 

 

 

I don't care how many people do it, it still doesn't make it right.

I don't understand how you can justify this. What difference does it make that the games are techincall sold out? The money he collected was for himself. He works for the Bengals. His job isn't to line his own pockets. It's stealing! Because it happens, doesn't make it right. If you work somewhere where goods are sold, and technically, you have stuff that is being sent back (for whatever reason), and you...on the job...sell the stuff to random people and keep the money...it's stealing. This is no different.

 

I'm not condoning anything, but I would like to take a closer look at the whole "stealing" argument.

 

What exactly is being stolen?

 

Presumably, if the game is a sell out, then it is a capacity crowd. By allowing these fans, who do not have tickets, to "buy" their way in, the Bengals will presumably make even more money off of their purchases (whether it is beer, hot dogs or replica jerseys).

 

I'd agree that it is not right for a ticketer to pocket the money. The money is not his, nor should it be his. He does not have the authority to do this.

 

I'm just not so sure that I buy the "it's stealing" argument.

I don't understand how you can justify this. What difference does it make that the games are techincall sold out? The money he collected was for himself. He works for the Bengals. His job isn't to line his own pockets. It's stealing! Because it happens, doesn't make it right. If you work somewhere where goods are sold, and technically, you have stuff that is being sent back (for whatever reason), and you...on the job...sell the stuff to random people and keep the money...it's stealing. This is no different.

 

You're saying that pocketing $20 and letting a fan into the game is no different than pocketing the money from an item that you wrongfully sold?

 

Come on Rockmom...you're smarter than that.

This stuff has been going on for years at many sporting events. Is it right, no. Do I really care if a guy is doing it? NO.

You're saying that pocketing $20 and letting a fan into the game is no different than pocketing the money from an item that you wrongfully sold?

 

Come on Rockmom...you're smarter than that.

 

 

It's called theft of services. If I work in a hotel, and on a sold out night I know someone isn't going to show up, but we'll still be getting the payment on that room, and I let someone stay in a room, get their money and then comp the room, I have stolen from the hotel. Stealing doesn't apply to only material commodities.

Do you honestly think this is an isolated incident? Who knows how much money is stolen from the Reds and Bengals over the years. :scared:

That's not my point. How is this any worse than the hundreds of other thefts that go on every day? And stealing from Mike Brown is like stealing from Walmart. Neither "victim" is going to garner a lot of sympathy from the public.

 

And no Rmom, I'm not justifying the theft. It was wrong and I wouldn't be surprised if the judge decided to make an example out of him to deter others.

That's not my point. How is this any worse than the hundreds of other thefts that go on every day? And stealing from Mike Brown is like stealing from Walmart. Neither "victim" is going to garner a lot of sympathy from the public.

 

And no Rmom, I'm not justifying the theft. It was wrong and I wouldn't be surprised if the judge decided to make an example out of him to deter others.

 

I actually meant to say how much money has this particular employee stolen from the Reds and Bengals over the years.

I don't care how many people do it, it still doesn't make it right.

 

I'm not saying it is right, but why does the owner have regular turnstyles where this can happen? If they had scanners it would be a lot more difficult. In fact the guy I know who works there said they would lose over half of their ticket takers. Is Brown too cheap to get the scanners or does he not care if people "sneak" into sold out games. My guess is both.

I don't care how many people do it, it still doesn't make it right.

I agree. And sorry, but there's no way it was in the "thousands." That's just an "everybody does it" excuse. :thumb:

 

And for those that would justify this theft of services, how is it fair to all of those people who paid large amounts of money for the privilege of admission to the game. You're right...it isn't.