"Been there, done that." "God helps those that help themselves." "You'll appreciate more if you have to work for it." "If it were easy, girls would do it."

 

I've got some more, but those get my point across. 18 years ago, I was in the same place you are in. I worked 1 f/t job, 1 p/t time and made it through on my own. I didn't live like the other college kids. No parties, bought my clothes at K-Mart rather than American Eagle, and ate a lot of ramen noodles and Hamburger Helper. Stay focused, work hard, and it will be worth it at the end. Good luck.

 

What do you base this quote on? i think the better phrase is "God helps those who help other others out." While that is God's way, it is not America's way.

Fan of Marxism are you?

 

I don't even know what you are talking about, dude.

I don't consider myself lucky, I pay more for my healthcare than pretty much anyone I know, and well I should as I incurr more costs.

 

I don't see anything nice about more tax dollars being spent on another unnecessary government program. It's bankrupting countries and that's not something I want to see the US go through.

 

Which countries?

To play devil's advocate, if the gov't offered health care plans, companies could get out of that business. IBM, Walmart, and P&G may know a lot about selling computers or soap or retail in general, but what do they know about health care plans?

 

 

To me, the hardest part of the health care question is who decides who get costly treatment options? Does the 3 time relapsed drug addict continue to get expensive detox and post care treatment? Does the 85 year senior citizen continue to get expensive medicines or procedures even though it may only prolong life and not add to the quality of life? Who will answer these questions? At what point are we willing to say I'm willing to condemn that person to death and not give them expensive treatments?

This country has the absolute best health-care system in the world. It needs a bit of overhauling I agree, but universal health care is much more problematic.

 

Wrong. In an article a couple of years ago as well as in the documentary "Sicko" it showed a list of the rankings of healthcare systems in the world and the United States ranked 30th or 31st I believe. Just above Cubs and right below Solvenia (sp?). I do not count this as the best in the world.

Wrong. In an article a couple of years ago as well as in the documentary "Sicko" it showed a list of the rankings of healthcare systems in the world and the United States ranked 30th or 31st I believe. Just above Cubs and right below Solvenia (sp?). I do not count this as the best in the world.

 

I wouldn't exactly count some mindless bantering by Michael Moore as reliable information. Talk about drinking the Kool-Aid.

According to the W.H.O.

 

Hurray! We're #37! Right between those two paragons of healthcare, Costa Rica and Slovenia.

 

http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

I wouldn't exactly count some mindless bantering by Michael Moore as reliable information. Talk about drinking the Kool-Aid.

 

 

Can't, you've long finished it off, dude.

Wrong. In an article a couple of years ago as well as in the documentary "Sicko" it showed a list of the rankings of healthcare systems in the world and the United States ranked 30th or 31st I believe. Just above Cubs and right below Solvenia (sp?). I do not count this as the best in the world.

 

Hell fire, and I thought they were in 1st.

According to the W.H.O.

 

Hurray! We're #37! Right between those two paragons of healthcare, Costa Rica and Slovenia.

 

http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

 

 

 

:sssh:

 

 

 

Sickoooooo!!!!

According to the W.H.O.

 

Hurray! We're #37! Right between those two paragons of healthcare, Costa Rica and Slovenia.

 

http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

 

I don't put terribly much stock into those rankings. The report is eye opening in some regards, but skewed in others. From a quick glimpse I gather that the overall health of a population and the financial contributions required from the population are a part of the overall ranking. I couldn't find how these were determined (though I didn't really look), but the United States would obviously rank lower in those categories since we, as a nation, prefer double cheeseburgers to fruit and, more poignantly, don't have our financial contributions subsidized by the government. I don't think that the rank of 37 accurately reflects the quality of care a person receives in an American doctor's office or hospital.

According to the W.H.O.

 

Hurray! We're #37! Right between those two paragons of healthcare, Costa Rica and Slovenia.

 

http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

 

So you would go to the Philippines for your health needs.............tell me how that works out.

 

This info has been proven to be skewed by EVERY major network.........

So, are we number one, as has been suggested, number 37, or somewhere in between?

Wrong. In an article a couple of years ago as well as in the documentary "Sicko" it showed a list of the rankings of healthcare systems in the world and the United States ranked 30th or 31st I believe. Just above Cubs and right below Solvenia (sp?). I do not count this as the best in the world.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

If you buy into that garbage, I have some swampland you may be interested in.

The best healthcare system in the world doesn't mean a whole heck of a lot if you can't afford it.

 

The fact is that the most successful medical breakthrough in the history of Man the concept of washing your hands, it has saved millions more than the most expensive technologically advanced pieces of medical equipment have. Is it better to have a health care system that can best treat even the most rare of diseases at the highest costs? Or a health care system that can cheaply take care of the most common ailments?