Cosby is right and Wright is wrong. The people who buy into Wright's message are dooming themselves to failure. Cosby's message is tough, but it is truly a message of hope and offers a path to real change for the better.

 

Cosby and Wright are both right.

 

People should rise up and take care of themselves and take responsibility, but sometimes that responsibility is pointing out injustices and fighting against them - just as Rev. Wright it doing.

 

Fight the power - rage against the machine - give rest to the weary - Wright hasn't said minorities are incapable he is saying that American society and its institutions play into the oppression and through black liberation theology we can rise above the oppression.

Those advantages are set up for a reason, you know that. Without them minorities and women would be more disadvantaged than they are today.

 

While welfare programs help them survive, they do not help the poor escape poverty. And I believe you can only be on welfare for a limited period of time.

 

 

And how should we - conspiratorial, dictatorial, oppressive, truculent, and merciless white America (and more specifically, white males) - go about fixing this problem? Bigger entitlement programs?

Cosby and Wright are both right.

 

People should rise up and take care of themselves and take responsibility, but sometimes that responsibility is pointing out injustices and fighting against them - just as Rev. Wright it doing.

 

Fight the power - rage against the machine - give rest to the weary - Wright hasn't said minorities are incapable he is saying that American society and its institutions play into the oppression and through black liberation theology we can rise above the oppression.

Preaching that white Americans deserved to die at the hands of al Qaeda does nothing to help minorities in this country. If Barack Obama does not win the presidency, when Rev. Wright looks into the eyes of the man most responsible for Obama's defeat, he will be shaving or combing his hair.

Cosby and Wright are both right.

 

People should rise up and take care of themselves and take responsibility, but sometimes that responsibility is pointing out injustices and fighting against them - just as Rev. Wright it doing.

 

Fight the power - rage against the machine - give rest to the weary - Wright hasn't said minorities are incapable he is saying that American society and its institutions play into the oppression and through black liberation theology we can rise above the oppression.

 

 

That's why I asked the question I did in my previous post. If it is true that there will always be a group that is underprivileged, wouldn't it make sense for the group in power to keep the underpriviliged groups from rising up and potentially replacing them at the top.

 

It is historically accurate to say that traditionally Anglo-protestant males have been the group the runs America. While alot of change has come in the past 30 years or so, there is still resitance. If minorities, and women rise up and assert themselves then someone, theoretically, must replace them as the underpriveledged segments of society.

 

Could it be that the segments of society that hold all of the power are afraid that they will lose power if women and minorities, as a group, gain too much power?

 

That could be the case, i'm still trying to figure it out.

 

Like i've said before though, I think that in order to do away with all of the racial tension that exists today is to adequatley educate ALL children in order to get rid of the prejudices and mindsets that have been passed down through the generations.

Preaching that white Americans deserved to die at the hands of al Qaeda does nothing to help minorities in this country. If Barack Obama does not win the presidency, when Rev. Wright looks into the eyes of the man most responsible for Obama's defeat, he will be shaving or combing his hair.

 

Nicely worded. Though Obama could have made this a far less important issue had he done a better job of distancing himself from Wright and his remarks.

 

Guess we better be careful about moving off topic too far, though.

 

Like i've said before though, I think that in order to do away with all of the racial tension that exists today is to adequatley educate ALL children in order to get rid of the prejudices and mindsets that have been passed down through the generations.

 

 

Do you feel Rev. Wright is aiding or hurting what you said above?

That's why I asked the question I did in my previous post. If it is true that there will always be a group that is underprivileged, wouldn't it make sense for the group in power to keep the underpriviliged groups from rising up and potentially replacing them at the top.

 

It is historically accurate to say that traditionally Anglo-protestant males have been the group the runs America. While alot of change has come in the past 30 years or so, there is still resitance. If minorities, and women rise up and assert themselves then someone, theoretically, must replace them as the underpriveledged segments of society.

 

Could it be that the segments of society that hold all of the power are afraid that they will lose power if women and minorities, as a group, gain too much power?

 

That could be the case, i'm still trying to figure it out.

 

Like i've said before though, I think that in order to do away with all of the racial tension that exists today is to adequatley educate ALL children in order to get rid of the prejudices and mindsets that have been passed down through the generations.

 

 

I agree that both Wright and Cosby are correct.

 

I agree with Cosby in that Black people should not blame anyone for the problems that they face and take it upon themselves to advance their lot in life.

 

I agree with Wright in that yes historically Black people have been discriminated against, demeaned, and treated like scum, by our government(Yes is was the U.S. Govt), and that alot of people do not like to aknowledge it.

 

I think that Wright could have expressed his feelings in a much better way, but I think that what he wanted to get across and what alot of people are assuming he meant, or pulling out of his words, are two very different things.

Interesting. I'm well aware of the imprisonment statistics and disparities that exist. But tell me, how is it that you've deduced that "whites commit just as many crimes" as many other minorities?

 

I myself, did not. I've read studies that did.

And how should we - conspiratorial, dictatorial, oppressive, truculent, and merciless white America (and more specifically, white males) - go about fixing this problem? Bigger entitlement programs?

 

As I've said before, I'm not an expert on government programs.

 

I do think that some changes could and should be made to fix the current welfare program today. BTW, the majority of people on welfare are in fact white.

Do you feel Rev. Wright is aiding or hurting what you said above?

 

 

I think that what he is trying to do is arouse a passion in the Black community so that they will stand up, take action, and take pride in the fact that they are who they are, which I think will be the first step in solving alot of the problems in the Black community.

 

"Black Pride" is a good thing because of the generations of self-hate that were engrained into the Black community.

 

The self-hate is the reason, I feel, for alot of the problems that we see.

 

The Black community needs to LEARN to love its self, then to appreciate themselves as a productive member of American society.

 

Wright was abrasive in the way he delivered his message. But I think he has noble intentions at the core. His message has just been corrupted a bit in it's delivery.

I think that what he is trying to do is arouse a passion in the Black community so that they will stand up, take action, and take pride in the fact that they are who they are, which I think will be the first step in solving alot of the problems in the Black community.

 

"Black Pride" is a good thing because of the generations of self-hate that were engrained into the Black community.

 

The self-hate is the reason, I feel, for alot of the problems that we see.

 

The Black community needs to LEARN to love its self, then to appreciate themselves as a productive member of American society.

 

Wright was abrasive in the way he delivered his message. But I think he has noble intentions at the core. His message has just been corrupted a bit in it's delivery.

 

I am still not clear as to your answer. You do feel that the comments made by Rev. Wright are helping the cause? Just looking for clarification, I don't want to assume incorrectly.

 

Thanks,

I am still not clear as to your answer. You do feel that the comments made by Rev. Wright are helping the cause? Just looking for clarification, I don't want to assume incorrectly.

 

Thanks,

 

 

Thats a question that I am not able to answer.

 

I'm not on the ground in Chicago, or any where but central Ky for that matter, so I can't tell what type of affect he has on the community.

 

If he is inspiring the Black community in his area to take pride in and love themselves then yes, what he's saying is helping the cause.

 

If not then no.

 

I would not have made the comments, but I am not Mr. Wright and I haven't lived through the things that he has lived through, having been born in 1986, and not having lived through the worst of times as far as racial tensions go.

I think Cosby's is by far the more beneficial message for black Americans. It comes down to this: you can either focus on the things that are stacked against you and may be beyond your control or you can look at what action you can take to help yourself. Cosby points out some very obvious aspects of modern black culture in the U.S. that perpetuate crime, poverty, and broken families. There needs to be more of this kind of motivation, unfortunately people who speak out in this manner are often vilified.

I think Cosby's is by far the more beneficial message for black Americans. It comes down to this: you can either focus on the things that are stacked against you and may be beyond your control or you can look at what action you can take to help yourself. Cosby points out some very obvious aspects of modern black culture in the U.S. that perpetuate crime, poverty, and broken families. There needs to be more of this kind of motivation, unfortunately people who speak out in this manner are often vilified.

 

Well stated. Frankly I honestly believe that if more black leaders spoke this message and more black people started acted accordingly, a lot more white people would reach out to help them. Its kind of hard for a lot of white people to extend a hand to blacks when their more vocal leaders are saying that white America is worse than Al Quada, an organization that staps suicide bombs on young children and pregnant women to kill innocent human beings. While liberals and conservatives in America certainly look at life differently, I believe that most Americans of both parties are very caring and loving people that have a lot of compassion unless you stick them in the eye.

Well stated. Frankly I honestly believe that if more black leaders spoke this message and more black people started acted accordingly, a lot more white people would reach out to help them. Its kind of hard for a lot of white people to extend a hand to blacks when their more vocal leaders are saying that white America is worse than Al Quada, an organization that staps suicide bombs on young children and pregnant women to kill innocent human beings. While liberals and conservatives in America certainly look at life differently, I believe that most Americans of both parties are very caring and loving people that have a lot of compassion unless you stick them in the eye.

 

I don't know much more about Reverend Wright's sermons than what I see on the news, and I don't want this to be construed as an attempt to defend the indefensible, but it is my understanding a major component of his preaching is personal reponsibility.