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# According to the federal Household Survey, "most current illicit drug users are white. There were an estimated 9.9 million whites (72 percent of all users), 2.0 million blacks (15 percent), and 1.4 million Hispanics (10 percent) who were current illicit drug users in 1998." And yet, blacks constitute 36.8% of those arrested for drug violations, over 42% of those in federal prisons for drug violations. African-Americans comprise almost 58% of those in state prisons for drug felonies; Hispanics account for 20.7%.

 

Source: Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, National Household Survey on Drug Abuse: Summary Report 1998 (Rockville, MD: Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, 1999), p. 13; Bureau of Justice Statistics, Sourcebook of Criminal Justice Statistics 1998 (Washington DC: US Department of Justice, August 1999), p. 343, Table 4.10, p. 435, Table 5.48, and p. 505, Table 6.52; Beck, Allen J., Ph.D. and Mumola, Christopher J., Bureau of Justice Statistics, Prisoners in 1998 (Washington DC: US Department of Justice, August 1999), p. 10, Table 16; Beck, Allen J., PhD, and Paige M. Harrison, US Dept. of Justice, Bureau of Justice Statistics (Washington, DC: US Dept. of Justice, August 2001), p. 11, Table 16.

 

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So far, I have looked at two of the links that you provided and both are for organizations financed by George Soros. Are Soros' propaganda sites really that difficult to avoid?

 

Soros invited Zeese to breakfast and confessed he didn't know enough about the policy issues to feel comfortable funding advocacy per se. But if Zeese was willing to tackle projects such as needle exchange and AIDS prevention--hands-on treatment as opposed to efforts to change laws--Soros was in. Zeese later moved on to form his own group, Common Sense for Drug Policy, which combines advocacy work with support for service-oriented programs.

Last year Soros gave the organization $125,000, a quarter of its $500,000 budget.

George Soros's Long Strange Trip

Non-Hispanic whites compose 66% of the current US population. Hispanics compose 8% of the population and blacks another 12% of the population. So, if Soros' buddies included Hispanics to boost the percentage of white illicit drug users, which is quite likely because the "non-Hispanic" qualifier is missing, then the statistics indicate that whites are slightly under represented in illicit drug use and both Hispanics and African-Americans are slightly over represented.

 

Soros is a master at propaganda and lying with statistics. The website to which you linked cited reliable sources for its information, it just presented the data in a misleading way to further the Soros agenda. (Soros strongly favors legalizing drug use.)

 

Rates of current illicit drug use varied significantly among the major racial/ethnic groups in 2004. The rate was highest among persons reporting two or more races (13.3 percent) and American Indians or Alaska Natives (12.3 percent). Rates were

8.1 percent for whites

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7.2 percent for Hispanics

, and

8.7 percent for blacks

. Asians had the lowest rate at 3.1 percent. -

Results from the 2004 National Survey on Drug Use and Health: National Findings

BTW, I agree with Soros' position on legalizing drug use but the case should be made without playing games with the statistics to exaggerate illicit drug use by whites. I would like to legalize drug use to make room for violent criminals and I would impose much tougher sentences on repeat violent offenders and sexual predators.

Since you're in such agreement, tell me why the generation that wasn't part of that time has the same anger.

 

Yes you do. That's an enabling attitude again. Take a look at how people live in Appalachia; they're often referred to as “the poorest of the poor."

 

And people never lie on surveys or questionnaires?

 

You do realize that a lot of studies are done through surveys and questionnaires right?

 

The best way to convince one not to lie on a survey or questionnaire is to make it anonymous.

You do realize that a lot of studies are done through surveys and questionnaires right?

 

The best way to convince one not to lie on a survey or questionnaire is to make it anonymous.

I realize that and anonymous or not, people lie.

Here's a stat...women still make 70% of what white men in comparable positions make.

 

I'm not attempting to be argumentative here, but I hear statements like this all of the time. Is there any documentation or is it just an urban myth. I know form my many years ofr workplace experience in healthcare I have never found this type of statistic to be valid

Since you're in such agreement, tell me why the generation that wasn't part of that time has the same anger.

Yes you do. That's an enabling attitude again. Take a look at how people live in Appalachia; they're often referred to as “the poorest of the poor."

 

And people never lie on surveys or questionnaires?

 

Do you not agree that one's personlity is shaped by their elders, members of their community that are older than them?

 

You can't expect such strong feelings to just disappear in one maybe two generations.

 

That's on both sides of the issue too.

Do you not agree that one's personlity is shaped by their elders, members of their community that are older than them?

 

You can't expect such strong feelings to just disappear in one maybe two generations.

 

That's on both sides of the issue too.

You're making my point for me. One's personality is shaped by their elders and members of their community, such as their parents and their pastor.

I can expect one to be responsible enough to not teach hatred to their children. Would you agree with that? I don't know how old you are, but surely you wouldn't teach your children to be hateful of another race.

It's obvious that we're looking at the same issue from different perspectives.

 

My point is that there is a reason, and a legitimate one at that, for all of the problems that exist in the Black community.

 

It doesnt make sense to point out the problems without aknowledging the reason that those problems exist.

 

IMO the problem, which I stated earlier, is the self-hate that was engrained in the Black community by America in the past, that is still passed on from one generation to the next.

 

Rev. Wright is attempting, in a sense, to arouse a sense of pride within the Black community that he feels would compel them to stand up and make a change.

 

Do I agree with the words he uses when he does this? no.

 

I think he has gone astray, but as I said earlier, I think at the core his intentions are good.

It's obvious that we're looking at the same issue from different perspectives.

 

My point is that there is a reason, and a legitimate one at that, for all of the problems that exist in the Black community.

 

It doesnt make sense to point out the problems without aknowledging the reason that those problems exist.

 

IMO the problem, which I stated earlier, is the self-hate that was engrained in the Black community by America in the past, that is still passed on from one generation to the next.

 

Rev. Wright is attempting, in a sense, to arouse a sense of pride within the Black community that he feels would compel them to stand up and make a change.

 

Do I agree with the words he uses when he does this? no.

 

I think he has gone astray, but as I said earlier, I think at the core his intentions are good.

The past is the past, it needs to be left behind. Instead, children are being taught to hate and sadly it's a two way street.

You don't agree with his words and you think he's gone astray, yet you say he's attempting to arouse a sense of pride within the Black community that he feels would compel them to stand up and make a change. He's continuing the cycle of hate, so how can that possibly work out to the good?

The past is the past, it needs to be left behind. Instead, children are being taught to hate and sadly it's a two way street.

You don't agree with his words and you think he's gone astray, yet you say he's attempting to arouse a sense of pride within the Black community that he feels would compel them to stand up and make a change. He's continuing the cycle of hate, so how can that possibly work out to the good?

 

 

While I agree, obviously, that its not good for children to be taught hate.

 

I need to point out that its not as easy as you say to just leave the past in the past. History is history, and if you just forget your history you cant learn from it and you will be doomed to repeat it.

 

It also seems like your not realizing what im saying. The Black community does not, as a whole, harbor some sort of resentment or hate towards the U.S.

 

IMO the problem is a self-hate within the Black community that was engrained by the U.S. for generations and can't just be forgotten (after a generation or so of change) so easily as you suggest. Wright is trying to do something to help fix that, but as I said, I think he has gone astray.

While I agree, obviously, that its not good for children to be taught hate.

 

I need to point out that its not as easy as you say to just leave the past in the past. History is history, and if you just forget your history you cant learn from it and you will be doomed to repeat it.

 

It also seems like your not realizing what im saying. The Black community does not, as a whole, harbor some sort of resentment or hate towards the U.S.

 

IMO the problem is a self-hate within the Black community that was engrained by the U.S. for generations and can't just be forgotten (after a generation or so of change) so easily as you suggest. Wright is trying to do something to help fix that, but as I said, I think he has gone astray.

One can remember and still forgive. I'm not talking about the whole Black Community, the ones I'm talking about is a smaller numer, but the cycle continues.

I'm half Irish, should I feel contempt for the U.S. for the way the Irish were treated in this country? I'm also half German, should someone that's Jewish feel anomosity toward me for that? No on both counts.

You've very tired. Again, no sympathy from this quarter.

 

You pay no taxes to any program that helps a working woman in a corporate position, making 70% of what her male counterparts make.

 

Maybe you aren't a part of any conspiracy. But I'll bet it concerns you not that there is such a disparity. To some, that's complicity.

 

Your information is incorrect or at best, incomplete. This myth has been disproved by several studies in the past. Does make a good sound bite though.

IMO the problem is a self-hate within the Black community that was engrained by the U.S. for generations and can't just be forgotten (after a generation or so of change) so easily as you suggest. Wright is trying to do something to help fix that, but as I said, I think he has gone astray.

 

I just don't know on what you base this entire "self-hate" thing you've brought up. If there is indeed any such emotional inner turmoil, it comes from that race's inability to overcome the real issues with which they struggle - fatherless familes, high school dropout rates, high crime rates, high drug usage, reliance on entitlement programs, etc... You seem to imply that it is some vague, nebulous internal self-loathing that causes these problems. I believe that any negative feelings about themselves come from a realization that they are not making the progress they should to overcome the aformentioned problems. I think we're talking about a chicken and the egg - and which one comes first - issue here. Though, to be perfectly honest, I don't see "self-hate" as the underlying problem - or any problem, really - affecting the black community.

Your information is incorrect or at best, incomplete. This myth has been disproved by several studies in the past. Does make a good sound bite though.

 

 

I'll admit to incomplete. However, Leatherneck's post sums it up nicely.

 

Here's an article that touches on the reasons for the disparity. However, in a general sense, women still make less. As this article points out:

 

Whatever the breakout, there certainly are numerous studies that show discrimination -- however unconscious -- still exists. For instance:

 

• A recent Cornell study found that female job applicants with children would be less likely to get hired, and if they do, would be paid a lower salary than other candidates, male and female. By contrast, male applicants with children would be offered a higher salary than non-fathers and other mothers.
  
  
• A recent Carnegie Mellon study found that female job applicants who tried to negotiate a higher salary were less likely to be hired by male managers, while male applicants were not.

Then there's the phenomenon of wages going down when more women move into a field

 

So, while my post may have been incomplete, so is the attempt to debunk it entirely given other factors.

Going back to the original article, I am not sure that Mr. Crosby and Rev. Wright are on opposite sides of the argument. Crosby never said that whites were the friends or allies of black - as a matter of fact, he stated that he didn't care what a white man thought of him. Additionally, we don't know what might have been in an of Rev. Wright's sermons over the 20 years. Is there a chance that he ever said anything similar?

 

I think this is a good point. All we're hearing are small blurbs from either side. I wouldn't be surprised if a full examining of both men's words revealed Cosby to say things Wright has said and vice versa. From everything I've heard from Cosby, I think he's exactly right, especially concerning the hip-hop culture and parenting prevalent in the inner cities.

 

As far as the "self-hate" debate, I think Cosby lends some interesting insight towards it. For one, he mentions the continual use of of the n-word among members of the black community towards each other. For all intents and purposes, it is a derogatory, racist term that used as a greeting and also said as they kill one another. Cosby also unfolded this story "Example, what one of the most old fashioned things: kid is studying and so they say to the kid 'your acting white,' which is a put down to make the kid stop studying...What is it your saying about black people? "