Cosby is right. People who sit around and blame everybody but themselves for their failures and shortcomings ensure only more of the same.

You get tired of hearing it. I have no sympathy. There are those out there who live it....

 

All I know is this. I have never done anything personally or intentionally to hold back any of the aformentioned groups. In fact, I pay more than my fair share of taxes supporting programs that help these same groups. I get extremely annoyed and tired of hearing how I am a member of some active white man conpiracy machine designed to trample the rights and hold back the progress of anyone who does not fall into my class. Very tired indeed.

Trust me, young man, I know what the "truth" is out there in the "real world." Once you get out there yourself, you may too have some meaningful insight into the situation.

 

I have earned everything I have achieved. I was given nothing and am hardly a member of some elite "white privilege" to whom you so ignorantly refer.

 

First of all I do not consider myself ignorant on the topic.

 

 

I never accused you of being priveleged, but most white people do have this "white privelege" and still deny it. Did you read the link I posted? Almost every white person has experienced the "white privelege" at some point in time IMO.

 

I guess since I'm not old, I can't have meaningful insight on the topic. Since I'm not a father, I can't talk about children. Is that the only argument people on here have these days?

 

 

Should I not post in any thread here, because I'm so young and have not experienced the things others have? I'm sick of people telling me that I'm not entitled to an opinion or that I'm ignorant simply based on my age. You know nothing of what I've been through or what I've seen.

Of course many white people (men mainly) do not want things to be equal, because they're so used to being the advantaged.

 

Are you a white man? And, if so, I assume you are exempt from your above statement since it appears that you work on a much higher moral plane than the rest of us?

All I know is this. I have never done any personally or intentionally to hold back any of the aformentioned groups. In fact, I pay more than my fair share of taxes supporting programs that help these same groups. I get extremely annoyed and tired of hearing how I am a member of some active white man conpiracy machine designed to trample the rights and hold back the progress of anyone who does not fall into my class. Very tired indeed.

 

Many of the programs set up by the government do little to help poor and disadvantaged people.

First of all I do not consider myself ignorant on the topic.

 

 

I never accused you of being priveleged, but most white people do have this "white privelege" and still deny it. Did you read the link I posted? Almost every white person has experienced the "white privelege" at some point in time IMO.

 

I guess since I'm not old, I can't have meaningful insight on the topic. Since I'm not a father, I can't talk about children. Is that the only argument people on here have these days?

 

 

Should I not post in any thread here, because I'm so young and have not experienced the things others have? I'm sick of people telling me that I'm not entitled to an opinion or that I'm ignorant simply based on my age. You know nothing of what I've been through or what I've seen.

 

 

Never said you shouldn't post, but just that your insight into certain matters isn't quite as relevent. In the prior thread to which you referred on parenting, you expounded in great length on your opinion and knowledge in raising and disciplining a child. Sorry, but you should at least have walked that road before offering up such sage and worldly advice.

Are you a white man? And, if so, I assume you are exempt from your above statement since it appears that you work on a much higher moral plane than the rest of us?

 

I am a white man.

 

I was responding to that specific post because it was pointed out that maybe things shouldn't be equal...there are a lot of people (I pointed out NO ONE on this site specifically, and if anyone can show me where I did, I will apologize to them) in this world that would not want things to be equal because they enjoy their advantages.

Never said you shouldn't post, but just that your insight into certain matters isn't quite as relevent. In the prior thread to which you referred on parenting, you expounded in great length on your opinion and knowledge in raising and disciplining a child. Sorry, but you should at least have walked that road before offering up such sage and worldly advice.

 

I never claimed to know how to raise a child, only that the specific ways people were talking about in that thread aren't the only option and do not always work.

 

Once again, I NEVER claimed to know how to raise a child. Everyone just assumed that since I disagreed with their methods, I was a "know it all". It's like someone can't disagree with others on this site because they automatically dismiss their opinion because they are not "experienced".

Many of the programs set up by the government do little to help poor and disadvantaged people.

 

Wow, an expert in government affairs also, huh?

 

What insight could you offer into micro-neuro brain surgery? I'm sure you have some deep wealth of knowledge in that area, too. :laugh:

You get tired of hearing it. I have no sympathy. There are those out there who live it....

 

I'm curious why you feel you live it if you were referring to yourself. Do you feel that any one other than you is responsible for where you are in life? Looking back, could you have made different choices than the ones you made that could have resulted in things being different for you today? Honest questions.

 

I practice law with and against many female and black attorneys who are doing very well ( a lot of whom came from disadvantaged back grounds that they were able to overcome; in fact many of them became successful because they were motivated to provide a better life for their family and themselves than what they experienced growing up). In my firm, some females and black attorneys do better/make more money that I do. I don't begrudge them at all.

 

The glass ceiling that used to be in place for women executives is for the most part gone from my observation. Yes, I'll admit that in some disciplines the statistics indicate that women don't make the same dollars for the same job that men make. But that gap is rapidly decreasing. And in some disciplines is not present at all. I know for a fact that's not the case in the big law firms that I've practiced at. When there is a comp differential, it's usually because the female attorney has asked to be on a different track (work a limited amount of days or hours because she is balancing family and career).Such is becoming more and more common in corporate America and that can skewer the statistics.

 

But I would like to know your answers to my questions, as it is different dramatically from what I've observed in the law firms and businesses that I've run.

All I know is this. I have never done anything personally or intentionally to hold back any of the aformentioned groups. In fact, I pay more than my fair share of taxes supporting programs that help these same groups. I get extremely annoyed and tired of hearing how I am a member of some active white man conpiracy machine designed to trample the rights and hold back the progress of anyone who does not fall into my class. Very tired indeed.

 

 

You've very tired. Again, no sympathy from this quarter.

 

You pay no taxes to any program that helps a working woman in a corporate position, making 70% of what her male counterparts make.

 

Maybe you aren't a part of any conspiracy. But I'll bet it concerns you not that there is such a disparity. To some, that's complicity.

Wow, an expert in government affairs also, huh?

 

What insight could you offer into micro-neuro brain surgery? I'm sure you have some deep wealth of knowledge in that area, too. :laugh:

 

Are you serious?

 

I should not even respond to this because it seems like you just want to start a personal back and forth battle when that is completely unnecessary.

 

Why is it that whenever I say something, you automatically assume that I consider myself an expert? Did I say I was an expert? If I have read things am I not allowed to consider that knowledge? Should I avoid all political discussions because everyone will accuse me of being an expert based on ONE POST?!?

 

Where did I claim to be an expert? Can you point that out, I'd love to see it.

 

In case you didn't know, there are government programs that are set up to "help" people which in fact do little to help them. One program is wel-fare. Welfare should be there to help people escape poverty when in fact all it does is help keep them in poverty.

You must not like the truth.

 

Here's a good piece about white people who ignore or do not notice their own "white privelege".

 

 

 

LINK

 

I read the link and noticed the little bio of the author at the end. She may be a bit biased on the subject. HB20, I have no idea how old you are or for that matter what your life and working experiences have been and are. All I know is that I disagreed, based on my life and working experiences, almost entirely what this women wrote. I did note that she wrote it evidently almost 20 years ago and a whole lot of things have changed in the workplace and in society, vis a vis, women in the last 20 years.

Of course many white people (men mainly) do not want things to be equal, because they're so used to being the advantaged.

So white men have a conspiracy to keep everyone else down. You are a white man. Do you take part in this conspiracy?

 

Cosby is right. Pointing out statistics just feeds the problem. Even though there may be a "disadvantage", it can be overcome if you stop blaming everyone else. No matter what the color of your skin (or gender), no one fires a hard worker.

I read the link and noticed the little bio of the author at the end. She may be a bit biased on the subject. HB20, I have no idea how old you are or for that matter what your life and working experiences have been and are. All I know is that I disagreed, based on my life and working experiences, almost entirely what this women wrote. I did note that she wrote it evidently almost 20 years ago and a whole lot of things have changed in the workplace and in society, vis a vis, women in the last 20 years.

 

I agree that things have changed, but there are still many advantages for white people today.

 

Some easy examples, one being that many white men are paid more than white women, and minorities, for doing the same jobs.

 

Another example I've already posted in another thread (maybe in this one) being that many minorities are arrested at higher rates even though whites commit just as many crimes.

 

Those are two examples of advantages that whites have over minorities today.