And it shouldn't. The same should be true for Obama. The difference is that Mitt was running on the Conservative Republican ticket, and Obama is a Democrat.

 

Not sure of your point on the latter.

 

I have posted on here that Democrats have made a concerted effort to court the Christian vote.

I liked Obama's point with his white grandmother.

 

Should he disown her because she has made racial comments that made him cringe and admitted that she is fearful when passing a black man on the street?

I liked Obama's point with his white grandmother.

 

Should he disown her because she has made racial comments that made him cringe and admitted that she is fearful when passing a black man on the street?

 

He is an excellent politician in finding ways around difficult questions. One of the best I have seen. Most people think that he grandmother analogy is a great answer. I just think it is once again apples and oranges.

 

I would not disown my grandmother if she were a member of the KKK. This is completely different, I would leave my church if my preacher was preaching a message similar to the KKK though. You can't choose your grandmother, but you can in fact choose your church.

Do you see a problem with any of the comments that Rev. Wright has been accused of making?

I don't agree with them at all.

 

What a lot of people fail to realize is that even thought these type of things are sometimes said a majority of the congregation don't agree with them.

He is an excellent politician in finding ways around difficult questions. One of the best I have seen. Most people think that he grandmother analogy is a great answer. I just think it is once again apples and oranges.

 

I would not disown my grandmother if she were a member of the KKK. This is completely different, I would leave my church if my preacher was preaching a message similar to the KKK though. You can't choose your grandmother, but you can in fact choose your church.

 

 

Ahh yes...the disposable societal theory! If you don't agree, just change churches.

 

I believe the better option would be to stick with what you believe, and work to better it.

He is an excellent politician in finding ways around difficult questions. One of the best I have seen. Most people think that he grandmother analogy is a great answer. I just think it is once again apples and oranges.

 

I would not disown my grandmother if she were a member of the KKK. This is completely different, I would leave my church if my preacher was preaching a message similar to the KKK though. You can't choose your grandmother, but you can in fact choose your church.

 

You might be able to choose the location your worship but you cannot choose your church. There is only one church of Jesus Christ and it has not a single location in this world.

 

I believe RM has the right idea. Work to change the mindset of those who ideas are not correct rather than run from it. If no one ever stands up to incorrect thoughts than incorrect thoughts never get challenged and changed.

I don't agree with them at all.

 

What a lot of people fail to realize is that even thought these type of things are sometimes said a majority of the congregation don't agree with them.

 

Then why would someone continue to sit through that for 20 years if the congregation doesn't agree? My experience with African American churches is limited (around 15-20 times in my lifetime) but I never recall hearing anything remotely close to the rants that Rev. Wright has been accused of coming from the pulpit. But like I said, my experience is limited. I may have to expand my experiences even more in the very near future.

Ahh yes...the disposable societal theory! If you don't agree, just change churches.

 

I believe the better option would be to stick with what you believe, and work to better it.

Good point. So far, there is absolutely no evidence that Obama made any attempt to worked to change his pastor's hate-filled vision of America.

Ahh yes...the disposable societal theory! If you don't agree, just change churches.

 

I believe the better option would be to stick with what you believe, and work to better it.

 

To a degree I agree. But if it comes down to if what my children are going to be fed from a spiritual leader is in stark contrast to my own beliefs, I feel it is in my best interests to take my family to another congregation. Or like you said at least do somethign about it. Just my opinion though.

 

I wonder what was done by Sen Obama to try to better it at his church over the past 20 years? Seems like up until only recently he did not have a problem with the comments?

And it shouldn't. The same should be true for Obama. The difference is that Mitt was running on the Conservative Republican ticket, and Obama is a Democrat.

Actually, the difference is hate speech vs. no hate speech.

You might be able to choose the location your worship but you cannot choose your church. There is only one church of Jesus Christ and it has not a single location in this world.

 

I believe RM has the right idea. Work to change the mindset of those who ideas are not correct rather than run from it. If no one ever stands up to incorrect thoughts than incorrect thoughts never get challenged and changed.

 

Well said, I should have clarified in that I meant changing the location of where I worship and who will be serving as minister of said congregation.

I also agree with standing up and challenging things we disagree with. I just wonder what Sen. Obama has done to try to change things at his church over the last 20 years?

Then why would someone continue to sit through that for 20 years if the congregation doesn't agree? My experience with African American churches is limited (around 15-20 times in my lifetime) but I never recall hearing anything remotely close to the rants that Rev. Wright has been accused of coming from the pulpit. But like I said, my experience is limited. I may have to expand my experiences even more in the very near future.

 

Because there is more to a Congregation than the pastor. There is a committment by the congregational body to fulfill Christ's wishes in their Community.

 

Look at where the Church is located. There are different challenges facing different communities.

 

Good point. So far, there is absolutely no evidence that Obama made any attempt to worked to change his pastor's hate-filled vision of America.

 

Maybe he didn't work to change his pastor's vision, but he has certainly worked to change America's vision of division.

 

To a degree I agree. But if it comes down to if what my children are going to be fed from a spiritual leader is in stark contrast to my own beliefs, I feel it is in my best interests to take my family to another congregation. Or like you said at least do somethign about it. Just my opinion though.

 

I wonder what was done by Sen Obama to try to better it at his church over the past 20 years? Seems like up until only recently he did not have a problem with the comments?

 

I would assume that he was like most congregants. You work daily to fulfill the Message and Mission statement of the faith community, within the larger community. It seems that Obama has taken his committment to the national stage, to unite the country. While he may not have renounced his pastor, or his congregational affiliation, he has certainly not exhibeted any evidence of fulfilling the Pastor's vision.

 

Actually, the difference is hate speech vs. no hate speech.

 

Hate speech by someone other than Obama.

Maybe he didn't work to change his pastor's vision, but he has certainly worked to change America's vision of division.

Has he? Or has he simply adopted the rhetoric that he believes will get him elected? Senator Obama has condemned this and condemned that when offensive behavior has been "brought to his attention," but was he asleep for 20 years or did he not see a problem with Rev. Wright's sermons until they threatened his candidacy?

So, RM, you are completely fine with someone sitting through hate sermons, for 20 years from his spiritual advisor, being the next POTUS?

Has he? Or has he simply adopted the rhetoric that he believes will get him elected? Senator Obama has condemned this and condemned that when offensive behavior has been "brought to his attention," but was he asleep for 20 years or did he not see a problem with Rev. Wright's sermons until they threatened his candidacy?

 

 

I guess you can take the cynical route, or you can take the optimistic route. As there's no evidence that Obama has some secret desire to advance racist rhetoric, I see no reason to take the cynical route.