Here was my answer

Well before your so-called "answer," you called Obama a racist ... it's there in black and white. Highlighted, even.

 

Now you're saying "if" ... backing down from your original assertion?

IF he was there as is being reported. Listen to the rant of his so called preacher.

 

If I attended a sermon like that and did not distance myself from the church, I would be a racist in the eyes of everyone.

 

 

My whole problem with this deal is if every time the word black was used it was replaced with white it would resemble a KKK speech.

 

The double standard for racism is a pet-peeve of mine and this is it on the ultimate stage.

 

Exactly.

1. Mitt Romney's faith was not off limits.

 

2. This is not about "faith," it is about a presidential candidate attending church services over a 20-year period where an anti-American racist pastor delivered sermons that would most Americans would find very offensive.

 

3. This has become an issue of credibility. Obama first denied very being present during any of Rev. Wright's racist, anti-American rants, but today admitted that he had been present during some of Rev. Wright's controversial remarks. Why did he lie?

 

Amen!

Sen Obama never said he had never heard the Rev. say anything controversial, he said he didn't hear those sermons that all the controversy is over. Newsmax, the epitome of journalistic integrity (sarcasm) has reported that Obama was at the sermon which is not true. I love the double standard that exists with conservatives. Criticize the USA and your anti-american, while at the values voters summit GOP candidates stood and smiled while a choir sang "Why should God bless America". I can vouch that in the 23 years I spend in a Southern Baptist church I heard my pastor(s) say things that I vehemently disagreed with. Did I leave the church or hate the pastor? No. I stayed b/c I was dedicated to the church and the ministry it provided to the community. Rev. Wright has given thousands of sermons in his career and these are the only three or four things we can find. I can find dozens of Falwell, Robertson, Hagee, Parsley and many other statements that they've made over many years that some could find just as offensive.

 

I'm not defending Rev. Wright. What he said was inappropriate and offensive, but I can firmly vouch that ministers of all races, creeds, colors and religions say things that sometimes the congregation doesn't agree with.[/QUOTE]

 

One time or over the course of twenty years? I think this is a regular practice with Rev. Wright (who is Wrong) and I would not still be there if I truly "VEHEMENTLY" denounced, denied, or didn't agree with what was said. He is doing so now only to save his political career.

Barack Obama, a racist?

 

You guys just fling around unsubstantiated crap and hope some of it ... any of it ... sticks to the wall.

 

Close your eyes to it if you want. You certainly have that right.

Sen Obama never said he had never heard the Rev. say anything controversial, he said he didn't hear those sermons that all the controversy is over. Newsmax, the epitome of journalistic integrity (sarcasm) has reported that Obama was at the sermon which is not true. I love the double standard that exists with conservatives. Criticize the USA and your anti-american, while at the values voters summit GOP candidates stood and smiled while a choir sang "Why should God bless America". I can vouch that in the 23 years I spend in a Southern Baptist church I heard my pastor(s) say things that I vehemently disagreed with. Did I leave the church or hate the pastor? No. I stayed b/c I was dedicated to the church and the ministry it provided to the community. Rev. Wright has given thousands of sermons in his career and these are the only three or four things we can find. I can find dozens of Falwell, Robertson, Hagee, Parsley and many other statements that they've made over many years that some could find just as offensive.

 

I'm not defending Rev. Wright. What he said was inappropriate and offensive, but I can firmly vouch that ministers of all races, creeds, colors and religions say things that sometimes the congregation doesn't agree with.

 

Methinks you've tried to trivialize what Wright said. He didn't just say something that the congregation disagrees with, he espoused a message of hatred, racism and bigotry. How the black community can complain about racism when they support ministers and leaders that send their own messages of racism is simply beyond me.

 

If you can honestly look in the mirror and tell me that you would not criticize McCain if he attended a church lead by a minister that made sermons supporting the KKK, if he befriended that minister, and if he told people that such minister was his spiritual advisor, then your above post may have some credibility with me; then again it might not, because I would criticize McCain if that was the case.

 

I'm sorry, I'm not buying this whole "Black churches are different than white churches" stuff that Obama and his supporters are trying to use to cover the mess in the corner. Messages of hatred, bigotry and racism are wrong where ever and when ever they are made, or at least that's what Martin Luther King Jr tried to teach us. I'd bet every dollar that I have that MLK Jr. would have stood up during that sermon, called Wright wrong and walked out of the church. Blacks are not given a free pass to be racists. I don't excuse their racist messages because they may have been the victim of racism any more than I accept the white male who didn't get a job due to some affirmative action plan joining the KKK.

 

And heck yes I would expect Obama to leave that church or to work actively to have the minister removed a long time ago. I'd respect the heck out of Obama if he'd have done that.

 

And here is the truth teller: If Falwell had been the minister of your church and preached messages of intolerance and hatred, would you have handled the situation the same way Obama did?

Because Newsmax simply isn't very credible.

And if this turns out to be 100% correct, will you recant?

Methinks you've tried to trivialize what Wright said. He didn't just say something that the congregation disagrees with, he espoused a message of hatred, racism and bigotry. How the black community can complain about racism when they support ministers and leaders that send their own messages of racism is simply beyond me.

 

If you can honestly look in the mirror and tell me that you would not criticize McCain if he attended a church lead by a minister that made sermons supporting the KKK, if he befriended that minister, and if he told people that such minister was his spiritual advisor, then your above post may have some credibility with me; then again it might not, because I would criticize McCain if that was the case.

 

I'm sorry, I'm not buying this whole "Black churches are different than white churches" stuff that Obama and his supporters are trying to use to cover the mess in the corner. Messages of hatred, bigotry and racism are wrong where ever and when ever they are made, or at least that's what Martin Luther King Jr tried to teach us. I'd bet every dollar that I have that MLK Jr. would have stood up during that sermon, called Wright wrong and walked out of the church. Blacks are not given a free pass to be racists. I don't excuse their racist messages because they may have been the victim of racism any more than I accept the white male who didn't get a job due to some affirmative action plan joining the KKK.

 

And heck yes I would expect Obama to leave that church or to work actively to have the minister removed a long time ago. I'd respect the heck out of Obama if he'd have done that.

 

And here is the truth teller: If Falwell had been the minister of your church and preached messages of intolerance and hatred, would you have handled the situation the same way Obama did?

 

I wholeheartedly agree.

Methinks you've tried to trivialize what Wright said. He didn't just say something that the congregation disagrees with, he espoused a message of hatred, racism and bigotry. How the black community can complain about racism when they support ministers and leaders that send their own messages of racism is simply beyond me.

 

If you can honestly look in the mirror and tell me that you would not criticize McCain if he attended a church lead by a minister that made sermons supporting the KKK, if he befriended that minister, and if he told people that such minister was his spiritual advisor, then your above post may have some credibility with me; then again it might not, because I would criticize McCain if that was the case.

 

I'm sorry, I'm not buying this whole "Black churches are different than white churches" stuff that Obama and his supporters are trying to use to cover the mess in the corner. Messages of hatred, bigotry and racism are wrong where ever and when ever they are made, or at least that's what Martin Luther King Jr tried to teach us. I'd bet every dollar that I have that MLK Jr. would have stood up during that sermon, called Wright wrong and walked out of the church. Blacks are not given a free pass to be racists. I don't excuse their racist messages because they may have been the victim of racism any more than I accept the white male who didn't get a job due to some affirmative action plan joining the KKK.

 

And heck yes I would expect Obama to leave that church or to work actively to have the minister removed a long time ago. I'd respect the heck out of Obama if he'd have done that.

 

And here is the truth teller: If Falwell had been the minister of your church and preached messages of intolerance and hatred, would you have handled the situation the same way Obama did?

 

Well put, LN.

 

The old "everybody does it" argument doesn't fly here.

Methinks you've tried to trivialize what Wright said. He didn't just say something that the congregation disagrees with, he espoused a message of hatred, racism and bigotry. How the black community can complain about racism when they support ministers and leaders that send their own messages of racism is simply beyond me.

 

If you can honestly look in the mirror and tell me that you would not criticize McCain if he attended a church lead by a minister that made sermons supporting the KKK, if he befriended that minister, and if he told people that such minister was his spiritual advisor, then your above post may have some credibility with me; then again it might not, because I would criticize McCain if that was the case.

 

I'm sorry, I'm not buying this whole "Black churches are different than white churches" stuff that Obama and his supporters are trying to use to cover the mess in the corner. Messages of hatred, bigotry and racism are wrong where ever and when ever they are made, or at least that's what Martin Luther King Jr tried to teach us. I'd bet every dollar that I have that MLK Jr. would have stood up during that sermon, called Wright wrong and walked out of the church. Blacks are not given a free pass to be racists. I don't excuse their racist messages because they may have been the victim of racism any more than I accept the white male who didn't get a job due to some affirmative action plan joining the KKK.

 

And heck yes I would expect Obama to leave that church or to work actively to have the minister removed a long time ago. I'd respect the heck out of Obama if he'd have done that.

 

And here is the truth teller: If Falwell had been the minister of your church and preached messages of intolerance and hatred, would you have handled the situation the same way Obama did?

 

I love this post.

I love this post.

 

As anyone who has tracked my posts on Sen. Obama knows, I've been very fair with him. I harshly criticized Cunningham for his foolish attack on Sen. Obama's middle name; I've acknowledged that Sen. Obama is a very smart, eloquent young man. I've acknowledged that he is a very moving speaker who says great things. But on the Wright issue, Sen. Obama is very wrong and his attempt to explain his continued support of Wright and attendance at a church led by Wright is just irrational, unexplainable and for me, unsupportable. It causes me, and I think many others, to legitimately wonder if some of the unity messages that Sen. Obama is making in his speeches is more lip service than substance. It causes me to wonder if I can believe what he is saying he will do if he is elected as our President.

But on the Wright issue, Sen. Obama is very wrong and his attempt to explain his continued support of Wright and attendance at a church led by Wright is just irrational, unexplainable and for me, unsupportable. It causes me, and I think many others, to legitimately wonder if some of the unity messages that Sen. Obama is making in his speeches is more lip service than substance. It causes me to wonder if I can believe what he is saying he will do if he is elected as our President.

 

Bingo, Yahtzee.

Methinks you've tried to trivialize what Wright said. He didn't just say something that the congregation disagrees with, he espoused a message of hatred, racism and bigotry. How the black community can complain about racism when they support ministers and leaders that send their own messages of racism is simply beyond me.

 

If you can honestly look in the mirror and tell me that you would not criticize McCain if he attended a church lead by a minister that made sermons supporting the KKK, if he befriended that minister, and if he told people that such minister was his spiritual advisor, then your above post may have some credibility with me; then again it might not, because I would criticize McCain if that was the case.

 

I'm sorry, I'm not buying this whole "Black churches are different than white churches" stuff that Obama and his supporters are trying to use to cover the mess in the corner. Messages of hatred, bigotry and racism are wrong where ever and when ever they are made, or at least that's what Martin Luther King Jr tried to teach us. I'd bet every dollar that I have that MLK Jr. would have stood up during that sermon, called Wright wrong and walked out of the church. Blacks are not given a free pass to be racists. I don't excuse their racist messages because they may have been the victim of racism any more than I accept the white male who didn't get a job due to some affirmative action plan joining the KKK.

 

And heck yes I would expect Obama to leave that church or to work actively to have the minister removed a long time ago. I'd respect the heck out of Obama if he'd have done that.

 

And here is the truth teller: If Falwell had been the minister of your church and preached messages of intolerance and hatred, would you have handled the situation the same way Obama did?

 

 

Wonderful post, LN! Very well thought out and written.

 

My Mama always told me that "silence is agreement." To sit there and not say anything implies agreement. He should have left the church. MLK would have with no doubt. Would Obama have followed?

Wonderful post, LN! Very well thought out and written.

 

My Mama always told me that "silence is agreement." To sit there and not say anything implies agreement. He should have left the church. MLK would have with no doubt. Would Obama have followed?

 

Thank you. I try:D

Can anyone elaborate on this? I have heard that Obama will not pledge the American flag. That alone bothers me some, but I also heard Obama say that he loves America. Is this contradictory? Is the Whitehouse the appropriate place for a man that won't pledge the flag? I admit I haven't researched any of this.