Too bad many Protestant Christians don't. Might've cut down on decades of anti-Catholic bias in this country. Heck, many don't even think Catholics qualify as Christians, for some reason (i.e., their xenophobic preacher told them so).

 

Not being smart alec at all but did the bolded really happen?

 

And in honesty, though, does it not go both ways? Catholics, Pope, don't believe Protestants are getting into heaven, do they?

I tell you what though, trying to defend my beliefs has made them a lot stronger in my mind, even if I can't convince a lot of people. Same goes for my Catholic faith, back in my earlier P&R days when I tried to pick on the Protestants. :sssh: :lol:

 

When pushed I have defended my beliefs strongly. I know I'm not going to convince others to go along with my ways of thinking, so I don't try. Everyone is entitled to their respective beliefs and views, I just don't like it when people get personal and take derogatory shots at each other. In my home, my wife and I have different political and religous beliefs, but we don't go back and forth about it. I respect hers and she respects mine.

Not being smart alec at all but did the bolded really happen?

Ask the KKK....and the sweet little old ladies that came to my door one day to show me the picture of The Pope with Hitler.

Ask the KKK....and the sweet little old ladies that came to my door one day to show me the picture of The Pope with Hitler.

 

Hey, in my wife's family that would have been just showing off!

Not being smart alec at all but did the bolded really happen?

 

And in honesty, though, does it not go both ways? Catholics, Pope, don't believe Protestants are getting into heaven, do they?

 

Catholics have for decades in this country been subjected to various discrimination and hatred by the WASPs who have always enjoyed the privileged position of power in our society.

 

When I was a kid growing up in small-town Kentucky, I would frequently have people tell me I was going to Hell because I wasn't a Christian. Sorry to name names, but nine times out of 10 they were Baptists.

 

One of the main reasons for the imposition of prohibition in this country was to make things uncomfortable for Catholic immigrants from Germany, France, Italy and Ireland, where alcohol is culturally ingrained.

 

There are many instances of anti-Catholic discrimination and violence in this country, including a major incident in Louisville in the mid-1800s. Before you say, "those things don't happen now," well, you would be part right. Nowadays it just takes a 'behind closed doors' passive-aggressive form.

 

As recently as 1960 Kennedy's Catholicism was a major sticking point for voters. Kerry's was less so in 2004, but I bet that a lot of people voted against him because of his religion, it's just not PC to say, "I don't trust a Catholic to run the country; he'll take his orders from a papal dictator." Still, it's not hard to count the number of national politicians who claim Catholicism — why run when you know most of the country is against you on general principle, no matter what your campaign platform is?

 

I will say one of the nice things about living in Bardstown/Nelson Co. as opposed to many of the other small towns in Ky I've lived: There are so many Catholics living here in the county, the Protestants don't feel as emboldened to beat people over the head with their way of thinking as they do in counties where 80 percent of the people go to the same church (which is most of Kentucky). As a result, I don't feel like so much of an outsider as I did elsewhere (which is a strange feeling as well).

 

And in honesty, though, does it not go both ways? Catholics, Pope, don't believe Protestants are getting into heaven, do they?

 

I don't know that to be the case. I'm not exactly what you'd call a devout Catholic, however.

I don't know that to be the case. I'm not exactly what you'd call a devout Catholic, however.

 

LBBC is referring to the statment the Pope made last summer that Protestants were not a part of the true church of Christ.

As to Catholic discrimination, there has been a lot in this nation's history.

 

There has also been a lot by the Catholic church in Europe. Ask the Hougenots about denominational persecution. In Virginia the Anglicans beat up the Baptists and threw them in jail. (Today some of my Baptist brethren might deserve to be but that is another conversation)

 

As to the point of the thread concerning partisan politics (centrists vs extremists) it's not like this is totally new to this country.

 

Go back and check out the dirt and mire that the early presidents and candidates swam in and you will see it was just as extremist (if you elect them this country will be ruined) as now. Even the "golden era" of what we perceive for our nation's history is a lot more yellow than gold.

Not being smart alec at all but did the bolded really happen?

 

And in honesty, though, does it not go both ways? Catholics, Pope, don't believe Protestants are getting into heaven, do they?

 

 

I have a hard time believing you could really be that naive to think it didn't! I know I have talked about it before on here.

Catholics have for decades in this country been subjected to various discrimination and hatred by the WASPs who have always enjoyed the privileged position of power in our society.

 

When I was a kid growing up in small-town Kentucky, I would frequently have people tell me I was going to Hell because I wasn't a Christian. Sorry to name names, but nine times out of 10 they were Baptists.

 

One of the main reasons for the imposition of prohibition in this country was to make things uncomfortable for Catholic immigrants from Germany, France, Italy and Ireland, where alcohol is culturally ingrained.

 

There are many instances of anti-Catholic discrimination and violence in this country, including a major incident in Louisville in the mid-1800s. Before you say, "those things don't happen now," well, you would be part right. Nowadays it just takes a 'behind closed doors' passive-aggressive form.

 

As recently as 1960 Kennedy's Catholicism was a major sticking point for voters. Kerry's was less so in 2004, but I bet that a lot of people voted against him because of his religion, it's just not PC to say, "I don't trust a Catholic to run the country; he'll take his orders from a papal dictator." Still, it's not hard to count the number of national politicians who claim Catholicism — why run when you know most of the country is against you on general principle, no matter what your campaign platform is?

 

I will say one of the nice things about living in Bardstown/Nelson Co. as opposed to many of the other small towns in Ky I've lived: There are so many Catholics living here in the county, the Protestants don't feel as emboldened to beat people over the head with their way of thinking as they do in counties where 80 percent of the people go to the same church (which is most of Kentucky). As a result, I don't feel like so much of an outsider as I did elsewhere (which is a strange feeling as well).

 

 

You sir refer to Bloody Monday.

I don't know that to be the case. I'm not exactly what you'd call a devout Catholic, however.

 

LBBC is referring to the statment the Pope made last summer that Protestants were not a part of the true church of Christ.

 

We had a thread on this. What Pope Benedict said is not that non-Catholics are going to hell, but rather that the Catholic Church comes from Christ and the Holy Eucharist, Christ's sacrifice, eating His Body and His Blood, keeps the Gates of Heaven open. (note: this isn't very good phrasing on my behalf).

 

This is obviously way off topic and I regret even mentioning this in the first point. And we beat this issue to death so hard last time that discussing any more would not convince any of us.

I will say one of the nice things about living in Bardstown/Nelson Co. as opposed to many of the other small towns in Ky I've lived: There are so many Catholics living here in the county, the Protestants don't feel as emboldened to beat people over the head with their way of thinking as they do in counties where 80 percent of the people go to the same church (which is most of Kentucky). As a result, I don't feel like so much of an outsider as I did elsewhere (which is a strange feeling as well).

Come on up here. We're about 50/50 population-wise.

Hey, in my wife's family that would have been just showing off!

Did she have a relative named "Marge."

As to Catholic discrimination, there has been a lot in this nation's history.

 

There has also been a lot by the Catholic church in Europe. Ask the Hougenots about denominational persecution. In Virginia the Anglicans beat up the Baptists and threw them in jail. (Today some of my Baptist brethren might deserve to be but that is another conversation)

 

As to the point of the thread concerning partisan politics (centrists vs extremists) it's not like this is totally new to this country.

 

Go back and check out the dirt and mire that the early presidents and candidates swam in and you will see it was just as extremist (if you elect them this country will be ruined) as now. Even the "golden era" of what we perceive for our nation's history is a lot more yellow than gold.

 

As to the bolded part, am I interpretting your comment to mean that the extremism in this country's political parties is a good thing? And do you think that with the increased communication of ideas in the modern era vs back in the founding era, that the extreme polarization of the parties due to the extremists makes it harder to move the country forward than "back in the day"? Are you happy when politicians today refuse to act on things because of partisan reasons (approving federal judges for example). Weren't you disappointed when the Kentucky legislators refused to adopt a budget a few years ago as a result of largely partisan grandstanding? Me, I just think its crazy when politicians and people put their party loyalties ahead of the country. I fully realize that some people's beliefs are the same as the extreme planks of their party's platform. But there are a lot of people that get so wrapped up in pushing their party and have a win at all costs attitude, that the country suffers. Think Karl Rove, to mention a Republican (although I could just as easily have mentioned a Democrat). I've had way too many conversations with people in both parties that will try to unseat an incumbent doing a great job, or not appoint a very qualified person to a state board, or will not support a piece of legislation filed by a person just because that person is not a member of the "correct" political party. And that is just wrong, wrong, wrong and stupid, stupid, stupid. It must change and Americans are going to have to start electing people that can at least see the other side's perspectives and try to work together.

This thread has nothing to do with religion. Please keep your posts on topic.