I bet it would be very hard for you to find a private school partisan from outside of LCA that doesn't think what they did was not only wrong but stupid. We also knew that it would bring out the ALL private schools do it generalizations from the public school partisans.

 

Since the LCA decision there have been at least to public schools that have been sanctioned for illegal recruiting and yet we haven't heard any kind of outcry over that. In my book that's RIDICULOUS.

 

I am begining to find it ridiculous that you continue to claim there has been no outcry over the public schools. Both many other posters and I, have complained equally about the private and public schools that cheat. Cheating is cheating, and it should be punished in a far different manner than is currently being conducted within the board of control. You live on the post that lump private schools together. However, I will admit that I feel there are far to few rules concerning student attendance in private institutions in this state. As it currently goes however, those schools are not cheating, they are simply doing things that I feel are unethical concerning student attendance and athletic competition. Until those rules are changed, I am sure students that live in other states will continue to play in KHSAA competition.

I am begining to find it ridiculous that you continue to claim there has been no outcry over the public schools. Both many other posters and I, have complained equally about the private and public schools that cheat. Cheating is cheating, and it should be punished in a far different manner than is currently being conducted within the board of control. You live on the post that lump private schools together. However, I will admit that I feel there are far to few rules concerning student attendance in private institutions in this state. As it currently goes however, those schools are not cheating, they are simply doing things that I feel are unethical concerning student attendance and athletic competition. Until those rules are changed, I am sure students that live in other states will continue to play in KHSAA competition.

 

And some of those students go to public schools.

 

94- you are amoung a group of posters who we could say are public school supporters that do criticize all schools who break the rules, but there are some-and I've had quite a few conversations with one of the public schools that do have students from out of state- that will always make this a Public/Private thing, and not a break the rules/not breaking the rules thing.

And some of those students go to public schools.

 

94- you are amoung a group of posters who we could say are public school supporters that do criticize all schools who break the rules, but there are some-and I've had quite a few conversations with one of the public schools that do have students from out of state- that will always make this a Public/Private thing, and not a break the rules/not breaking the rules thing.

 

You are correct cover, some go to public schools. IMO, there should be no out of state students by rule for all schools. This is not a public private thing. This is a matter of moral rectitude or the lack there of.

I am begining to find it ridiculous that you continue to claim there has been no outcry over the public schools. Both many other posters and I, have complained equally about the private and public schools that cheat. Cheating is cheating, and it should be punished in a far different manner than is currently being conducted within the board of control. You live on the post that lump private schools together. However, I will admit that I feel there are far to few rules concerning student attendance in private institutions in this state. As it currently goes however, those schools are not cheating, they are simply doing things that I feel are unethical concerning student attendance and athletic competition. Until those rules are changed, I am sure students that live in other states will continue to play in KHSAA competition.

 

With all due respect if you really believe that the level of outrage over the LCA case and the J-Town & Johnson Central cases are even similar then I really don't know what to say.

 

Then you throw words like unethical out and wonder why some of us on the private side get upset. You may not agree with it and that is your right but to say that it is unethical is riduculous.

 

What is unethical about following rules that EVERY SCHOOL IN THE STATE ARE SUPPOSED TO ABIDE BY?

With all due respect if you really believe that the level of outrage over the LCA case and the J-Town & Johnson Central cases are even similar then I really don't know what to say.

 

Then you throw words like unethical out and wonder why some of us on the private side get upset. You may not agree with it and that is your right but to say that it is unethical is riduculous.

 

What is unethical about following rules that EVERY SCHOOL IN THE STATE ARE SUPPOSED TO ABIDE BY?

 

By your comparison, is there nothing that you find to be legal in our society that you still find to be unethical? I realize that IT WILL CONTINUE until the rules are changed, but I find it to be unethical for a student who does not live in our state to play KHSAA sports. There is a reason that this rule was changed by the church itself in the Greater Cincinnati area. You are obviously an intelligent individual. I find it HARD TO BELIEVE THAT YOU CANT SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LEGAL AND ETHICAL.

By your comparison, is there nothing that you find to be legal in our society that you still find to be unethical? I realize that IT WILL CONTINUE until the rules are changed, but I find it to be unethical for a student who does not live in our state to play KHSAA sports. There is a reason that this rule was changed by the church itself in the Greater Cincinnati area. You are obviously an intelligent individual. I find it HARD TO BELIEVE THAT YOU CANT SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LEGAL AND ETHICAL.

 

Are you okay with out of staters attending school in Ky? Participating on the debate team, in the band, competing for valedectorian, etc, etc?

Are you okay with out of staters attending school in Ky? Participating on the debate team, in the band, competing for valendectorian, etc, etc?

 

I am not.

 

And with all of the attacks on KY schools and the CATS testing and the supposed inability of KY schools to prepare students for college, why in the world would a student out of state want to send their kid to a KY school if it wasn't for athletics?

Both many other posters and I, have complained equally about the private and public schools that cheat. Cheating is cheating, and it should be punished in a far different manner than is currently being conducted within the board of control. You live on the post that lump private schools together. However, I will admit that I feel there are far to few rules concerning student attendance in private institutions in this state. As it currently goes however, those schools are not cheating, they are simply doing things that I feel are unethical concerning student attendance and athletic competition. Until those rules are changed, I am sure students that live in other states will continue to play in KHSAA competition.

You can't have it both ways. You can't claim that you want all schools to be treated fairly and punished equally...then, in the next breath, make a biased statement that shifts the blame onto private schools.

By your comparison, is there nothing that you find to be legal in our society that you still find to be unethical? I realize that IT WILL CONTINUE until the rules are changed, but I find it to be unethical for a student who does not live in our state to play KHSAA sports. There is a reason that this rule was changed by the church itself in the Greater Cincinnati area. You are obviously an intelligent individual. I find it HARD TO BELIEVE THAT YOU CANT SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LEGAL AND ETHICAL.

 

I understand the difference between legal and ethical quite well. I also understand the negative connotation that goes along with unethical. I disagree that any school is doing anything unethical or immoral when they admit out of state students but I do think it would be unethical on the states part to continue to allow out of state students to be admitted to schools but not to allow them to enjoy the full experience including athletics. Just because you think it is wrong does not make it unethical.

I understand the difference between legal and ethical quite well. I also understand the negative connotation that goes along with unethical. I disagree that any school is doing anything unethical or immoral when they admit out of state students but I do think it would be unethical on the states part to continue to allow out of state students to be admitted to schools but not to allow them to enjoy the full experience including athletics. Just because you think it is wrong does not make it unethical.

 

No, it is unethical for the state to allow any students to be admitted that live out of state student. Most schools are not allowed to do this, including even the catholic schools in NKY. Our schools should be for our students, especially the athletic competition that occurs. How many county schools in the central part of the state do you think would have the ability to get an out of state student, or would be allowed to do so. If you can't see how this is an unethical practice in the spirit of competition or education, you are wearing blinders. This is also not a public private issue. This is an issue of schools taking every advantage that is available, when they know it creates an uneven field. Hence not illegal, but unethical.

No, it is unethical for the state to allow any students to be admitted that live out of state student. Most schools are not allowed to do this, including even the catholic schools in NKY. Our schools should be for our students, especially the athletic competition that occurs. How many county schools in the central part of the state do you think would have the ability to get an out of state student, or would be allowed to do so. If you can't see how this is an unethical practice in the spirit of competition or education, you are wearing blinders. This is also not a public private issue. This is an issue of schools taking every advantage that is available, when they know it creates an uneven field. Hence not illegal, but unethical.

 

 

I'm pretty sure the right to an education is not bound by state lines. I'm also pretty sure that when the concept of public education at no cost to the individual was conceptualized, there was no idea of the lengths that people would go to, to make sure only a certain geographic area could take advantage of opportunities near them.

I'm pretty sure the right to an education is not bound by state lines. I'm also pretty sure that when the concept of public education at no cost to the individual was conceptualized, there was no idea of the lengths that people would go to, to make sure only a certain geographic area could take advantage of opportunities near them.

 

The right to compete in state athletics most CERTAINLY should be bound by state lines. That is why it called the Kentucky High School Athletic Association and not the Tri State Athletic Association. When it comes to public education, what about public schools that have tuition exchange for some of their severe special education students to attend other schools, while they accept out of state tuition students. Once again, not illegal, but certainly unethical. Please explain to me how this can be considered an ethical practice. Also please explain how it promotes the spirit of athletic competition when you have to beat athletes from othe states to win you state chanpionship.

The right to compete in state athletics most CERTAINLY should be bound by state lines. That is why it called the Kentucky High School Athletic Association and not the Tri State Athletic Association. When it comes to public education, what about public schools that have tuition exchange for some of their severe special education students to attend other schools, while they accept out of state tuition students. Once again, not illegal, but certainly unethical. Please explain to me how this can be considered an ethical practice. Also please explain how it promotes the spirit of athletic competition when you have to beat athletes from othe states to win you state chanpionship.

 

 

The spirit of Athletic competition doesn't depend upon the place one resides, but on the organization which one represents.

I am not.

 

And with all of the attacks on KY schools and the CATS testing and the supposed inability of KY schools to prepare students for college, why in the world would a student out of state want to send their kid to a KY school if it wasn't for athletics?

 

Your first paragraph is fair as it addresses the point.

 

The second paragraph isn't germane to the issue at all. Not every public school in Ky does as poorly academically as the normal public school. Thus there are plenty of reasons (academics is a major one) why out of state students would want to attend Ky high schools.

 

But the bottom line is that Ky law permits every school in the state (without exception) to accept out of state students; students who will compete for positions in the band, for valedictorian, for the debate team, etc. I'm sorry but its totally irrational to have state law permitting that, but to have a KHSAA rule saying you can't play sports. There is zero logic in any argument to the contrary. Zero.

 

As for the unethical charge made by 94 Camel, why is it unethical other than for the fact that you don't agree with it. And please come back with something better than the name of the high school athletic competition. There is a Ky band competition. There are Ky cheerleading competitions. There are Ky We the People competitions, on and on. All of the have Ky in the name of the competitions, but none of them prohibit out of state students from competing to the best of my knowledge.

 

If you are going to support the ban out of state athletes, as least argue that we be consistent and support that we don't allow out of state students from competing in anything. Heck, better yet support banning out of state students entirely from attending school in Ky.

 

And why the fear of competing against out of state athletes? Are the athletes from Ohio, WV, Tenn or Indiana somehow genetically superior from Kentuckians? I don't think so.

The spirit of Athletic competition doesn't depend upon the place one resides, but on the organization which one represents.

 

I expect no other sort of comment from anyone who represents an organization that takes people from everywhere. What your saying is, as long as you represent the correct organization, the competition is fair. I thought the spirit of athletic competition was to teach young people the value of dedicating yourself to maximize your potential, not that as long as the rules allow it, and you are good enough, the proper ORGANIZATION will take you no matter where you are from so you can be sucessful. Instead of the quote at the top of the page, maybe you should have said the spirit of competition is to do anything to win that you can get away with. I would still love to hear a competent reason why a kid from Kentucky should have to compete against a kid from Ohio, Indianna, or West Virginia to win state in Kentucky. Is it because those ORGANIZTIONS should be allowed to take anyone they please to make them better? Come on RM. Your ideas about athletic competition and high school attendance are certainly different than your politics.