So you don't think that a kid who averaged 20 ppg as a sophomore at a public school wouldn't be recruited by a private school that was openly allowed to recruit?

No. It happens at the elementary and middle school level where the KHSAA has no jurisdiction

A lot of focus is spent here regarding cities on our borders, but the same could apply to other towns in the middle of the state as well. They could, and should I believe, be allowed to open their districts. So 94camel, your school could take kids from surrounding counties, just like privates do in Louisville. I don't care about tax dollar implications, which have nothing to do with providing kids the best education. Tax rules are only meant to generate funds.

We spend 4 days with the B.S. staff each summer working the NFL camp with them. They are a great staff to be around and good coahes.

 

I find it interesting that the MS football system in Lexington is being point out as a factor the HS are not doing as well as they should/could. While I agree with this point it is strange that LC has a MS football team and yet no MS. The MS program was pointed to as one of the reasons for LC's numbers and success. 125.00 gets you on the 7/8th grade team. Now all those kids go back to their MS and talk about the field turf and everything. You are going to get numbers and players.

 

I do know that a number of MS will not play LC and LCA. For some schools this is a change that has taken place over the last few years. When you look at what most call the tops in HS football which one's have MS programs? Highlands splits up there kids an ddo nt play other teams outside of Ft Thomas is my understanding. Louisville has the CSAA.

We spend 4 days with the B.S. staff each summer working the NFL camp with them. They are a great staff to be around and good coahes.

 

I find it interesting that the MS football system in Lexington is being point out as a factor the HS are not doing as well as they should/could. While I agree with this point it is strange that LC has a MS football team and yet no MS. The MS program was pointed to as one of the reasons for LC's numbers and success. 125.00 gets you on the 7/8th grade team. Now all those kids go back to their MS and talk about the field turf and everything. You are going to get numbers and players.

 

I do know that a number of MS will not play LC and LCA. For some schools this is a change that has taken place over the last few years. When you look at what most call the tops in HS football which one's have MS programs? Highlands splits up there kids an ddo nt play other teams outside of Ft Thomas is my understanding. Louisville has the CSAA.

 

As to the bolded part, if you are implying that any one can be on LexCath's middle school football team by paying $125 (regardless of where they attend middle school), it's my understanding that LexCath self imposed a rule last year or the year before that, that said that in order to play on LexCath's middle school teams, the kids had to attend a parochial school. Is my understanding incorrect?

As to the bolded part, if you are implying that any one can be on LexCath's middle school football team by paying $125 (regardless of where they attend middle school), it's my understanding that LexCath self imposed a rule last year or the year before that, that said that in order to play on LexCath's middle school teams, the kids had to attend a parochial school. Is my understanding incorrect?

 

No it is not.

 

You are NOT eligible to play at LC Middle if you attend a school that is a feeder to a HS with a varsity football team. This disqualifies all public schools in Fayette and surrounding counties and LCA. This rule has been in effect at least 4 years (since we have been involved).

So every player for the LC MS team currently is enrolled in a private school? I did not see that restriction on the information sheet posted. How many private schools are there in Lexington?

Please tell me the name of a nationally recognized private HS school in Southern Indiana. :sleep: That is why kids from that area take a 10-15 minute car ride to school in KY. You only hear about the ones who play sports, but there are 10 non athletes for every athlete who make the same trip.

 

I can't speak for the rest of the state, but southern Indiana is just an extension of Louisville. They watch our TV stations, and hear our radio reports. We hear theirs too. Theres even a chance that they will be getting city water - from Lousiville!!! - in the not too distant future. We eat lunch in each others states. 25% of all Louisville workers do not even reside in our county, most of which come from IN. That grinds my gears that they are taking OUR money back to THEIR counties.

 

Is this what it gets down to? It seems petty to me. A kid should be able to go wherever he/she wants to get an education they are happy with. It makes the whole United States of America "thing" seem a little comical to me. There is nothing "United" about us at all.

 

Southern Indiana is no more a part of Louisville than NKY is a part of Cincinnati, which is to say not at all. I would also like to see the statistic in writing that there are ten non-athletes for every athlete.

Southern Indiana is no more a part of Louisville than NKY is a part of Cincinnati, which is to say not at all.

Actually, just the opposite is true. As was pointed out, these areas are contiguous metro areas, both in perception and reality. When statistical analysis are done, areas like this are always considered to be one. As single media markets, they're each considered to be two parts of a whole.

 

You'll find that the people in these areas tend to identify as much (or more), with their interstate neighbor as they do others in their own state. It's a matter of geography, social connections, and shared issues.

 

So yes, Southern Indiana is very much an integral part of the Louisville area, as is NKY a integral part of the Cincinnati area.

So every player for the LC MS team currently is enrolled in a private school? I did not see that restriction on the information sheet posted. How many private schools are there in Lexington?

 

Yes, every single player on the LC middle school football team goes to a private schoool. The vast majority go to Catholic MS schools in the Bluegrass region. I do not know of a player in the last 4 years that did not go one of the schools listed below.

 

As for the Catholic schools. Here are the elementary schools of the Lexington Diocese. Schools in Fayette County and the adjacent counties and Frankfort normally have players on the team. The schools that are further from Lexington do not really provide players due to pure distance logistics.

 

Schools that usually have students playing LC MS football:

Christ the King School - Lexington

Good Shepherd School - Frankfort

Mary Queen School - Lexington

Saint Agatha Academy - Winchester

Seton Catholic School - Lexington

Saint John School - Georgetown

Saint Leo School - Versailles

Saint Mark School - Richmond

Saint Mary School - Paris

Saints Peter & Paul School - Lexington

 

Schools that part of the Lexington diocese but usually do not have students on the LC Middle school football team:

 

Our Lady of the Mountains - Painstville

Saint Julian School - Middlesboro

Saint Francis School - Pikeville

Holy Family School - Ashland

 

Here a couple of sites that may be of interest if you are not familiar with the private school makeup in the Bluegrass region:

 

An interesting, recent article:

 

http://www.topix.com/content/kri/2007/12/faith-in-education

 

Nearly 10 years ago, most of the Catholic schools in Lexington were at capacity. The solution?

 

Build another school.

 

Seton Catholic School opened its doors in August 2005.

 

'We weren't meeting the needs of the Catholic families,' said Seton Principal Lee Coomer.

 

In addition to the new Seton school, Catholic schools in Lexington have seen a building boom in the last decade. Lexington Catholic High School built a new gym and added classroom space, Christ the King Elementary underwent a renovation, and a new elementary building was constructed at Mary Queen of the Holy Rosary. Now, a $9 million renovation has started at Saints Peter & Paul School downtown.

 

The Catholic school expansion in Lexington appears to run counter to a trend in other parts of the country, where Catholic school options are shrinking.

 

Right now, about 2,700 students are enrolled in Catholic schools in Lexington. In comparison, about 35,000 students are enrolled in Fayette County's public schools.

 

 

 

List of schools from official website:

 

http://home.catholicweb.com/school/files/Our_Diocesan_Schools.pdf

Actually, just the opposite is true. As was pointed out, these areas are contiguous metro areas, both in perception and reality. When statistical analysis are done, areas like this are always considered to be one. As single media markets, they're each considered to be two parts of a whole.

 

You'll find that the people in these areas tend to identify as much (or more), with their interstate neighbor as they do others in their own state. It's a matter of geography, social connections, and shared issues.

 

So yes, Southern Indiana is very much an integral part of the Louisville area, as is NKY a integral part of the Cincinnati area.

 

Here are links that clearly show how the Census people look at 'communities' (i.e. MSAs):

 

National view:

 

http://www.census.gov/popest/gallery/maps/CBSA_perchg_2000_2006.pdf

 

Louisville MSA:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:LouisvilleMSA-Census04.jpg

 

Cincinnati MSA:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati-Hamilton%2C_OH-KY-IN_Metropolitan_Statistical_Area

 

Lexington MSA:

 

http://www.census.gov/econ/census02/maps/metro/33000us336m.pdf

 

MSA are the truest definition of a 'community'. States and counties geopolitical boundries are interesting but they are not Berlin walls. If they were the 'Cincinnati airport' would not be in Kentucky.

MSA are the truest definition of a 'community'. States and counties geopolitical boundries are interesting but they are not Berlin walls. If they were the 'Cincinnati airport' would not be in Kentucky.

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Nice finds bluegrass, thats good info. A lot of my "data" is merely how I, my friends and my family live our lives. I go over the river much more often than I go to Bullitt or Oldham county for example. Usually for dining, shopping etc. Tip of the day - > It's much nicer having lunch, sitting on the Indiana side, and looking at the Louisville skyline, than it is the other way around. There's not much to look at on the Indiana side right now.

 

FYI, they are currently renovating an old CSX train bridge on the river, that will become a walkway to connect both states, with small park areas at each end. This will make us even more a part of each others lives.

To build upon the subject of MSAs...and to possibly tie two active threads together...

 

I looked at 4A / 6A Finalist in football to see where the finalist and runnerups come from. It was at first a reaction to the '20 coaches' thread. I then wondered if there was a correlation to MSAs or as LBBC puts it - an urban vs. rural issue.

 

Here are the facts for the 6A and former 4A champions and runner ups as related to the big 3 MSAs in Kentucky:

 

1. Since 1991 no finalist or runnerup has come from outside the Louisville, Lexington-Fayette or Cincinnati-Northern KY MSAs. 16 straight years of 'big urban' schools in the finals.

 

2. The last school outside the big 3 MSAs that made the finals was Warren Central - in 1989 and 1990. Warren Central is still in a major urban area and I doubt would be considered a 'rural' community. Warren Central is the only school to make the finals from outside the big 3 MSAs ever since the 4A finals changed the format from Jefferson Co vs. State champion (1987 I believe).

 

3. The only other finalist or runnerups outside the big 3 MSAs are: Owensboro (an 'urban' school), Christian County (home to Hopkinsville), Paducah Tilman, Greenup County and Ashland Blazer (Ashland area). That goes back to 1975.

 

4. All the Fayette County public schools as well as Scott County and George Rogers Clark (Clark County) have made the finals at some point since 1975.

 

5. The Louisville MSA schools that have made the finals are X, Trinity, Male, Shelby County, Nelson County and Shelby County.

 

6. Other than Male, no other Louisville public HS has reached the 4A/6A finals (kudos to Central though this year in 3A!).

 

I am not sure if there is an overriding conclusion from this. But it would seem that the issue of X and Trinity being on which side of the bracket only mask a broader issue that the large Louisville public schools (except Male) and the schools outside the big 3 MSAs are definitely challenged in getting to the highest level.

I am not sure if there is an overriding conclusion from this. But it would seem that the issue of X and Trinity being on which side of the bracket only mask a broader issue that the large Louisville public schools (except Male) and the schools outside the big 3 MSAs are definitely challenged in getting to the highest level.

Aren't you a lot less likely to even find a 4A/6A school outside the Big 3 MSAs?

What is a MSA?