Your first paragraph is fair as it addresses the point.

 

The second paragraph isn't germane to the issue at all. Not every public school in Ky does as poorly academically as the normal public school. Thus there are plenty of reasons (academics is a major one) why out of state students would want to attend Ky high schools.

 

But the bottom line is that Ky law permits every school in the state (without exception) to accept out of state students; students who will compete for positions in the band, for valedictorian, for the debate team, etc. I'm sorry but its totally irrational to have state law permitting that, but to have a KHSAA rule saying you can't play sports. There is zero logic in any argument to the contrary. Zero.

 

As for the unethical charge made by 94 Camel, why is it unethical other than for the fact that you don't agree with it. And please come back with something better than the name of the high school athletic competition. There is a Ky band competition. There are Ky cheerleading competitions. There are Ky We the People competitions, on and on. All of the have Ky in the name of the competitions, but none of them prohibit out of state students from competing to the best of my knowledge.

 

If you are going to support the ban out of state athletes, as least argue that we be consistent and support that we don't allow out of state students from competing in anything. Heck, better yet support banning out of state students entirely from attending school in Ky.

 

And why the fear of competing against out of state athletes? Are the athletes from Ohio, WV, Tenn or Indiana somehow genetically superior from Kentuckians? I don't think so.

 

I do support not allowing out of state students to attend school in Kentucky. It is ridiculous. It is not that they are genetically superior, it is that they are not available to every school. Of course, I believe that schools should only be allowed to take students withing their district or their dioces(sp), not from anywhere they please. My opinion fits the majority of the people in this state, and if it ever came to an open vote, I am quite sure thats the way it would be set up. Have Ft. Thomas schools ever sent special ed students to other districts due to "lack of facilities" while accepting tuition students? Just a general question reguarding the ethics of accepting out of state students.

I expect no other sort of comment from anyone who represents an organization that takes people from everywhere.

Suddenly, you've cornered the market on objectivity? Gimme a break.

 

 

The fact is, all schools are being treated equally in this. If your particular school can't seem to measure up under this same system that all the other schools are following, then it's time to evaluate your school's dedication (or apparent lack thereof) to its students!

Suddenly, you've cornered the market on objectivity? Gimme a break.

 

 

The fact is, all schools are being treated equally in this. If your particular school can't seem to measure up under this same system that all the other schools are following, then it's time to evaluate your school's dedication (or apparent lack thereof) to its students!

 

How exactly can you expect schools that do not exist on a state border to compete with that option? I think its time to evaluate your school's dedication to its students. Once again I will ask, has a special education student ever been sent out of the Ft Thomas school district due to lack of facilities while a tuition student attended the institution. The answer is yes. How can you call that dedication to your students when you are not taking care of all the students that live in your city, but you are more than willing to accept students from other areas that can play ball. Please give me a break.

I do support not allowing out of state students to attend school in Kentucky. It is ridiculous. It is not that they are genetically superior, it is that they are not available to every school. Of course, I believe that schools should only be allowed to take students withing their district or their dioces(sp), not from anywhere they please. My opinion fits the majority of the people in this state, and if it ever came to an open vote, I am quite sure thats the way it would be set up. Have Ft. Thomas schools ever sent special ed students to other districts due to "lack of facilities" while accepting tuition students? Just a general question reguarding the ethics of accepting out of state students.

 

Students from Fort Thomas or Bowling Green or Louisville are not available to every school in the state either.

Students from Fort Thomas or Bowling Green or Louisville are not available to every school in the state either.

 

No, but there is not an unreasonable availability area for students save just a few schools who already have a wide recruiting base for student population, but feel the need to take it the next step, which is out of state.

I have no idea what you just said.

Let's face it. Many of the successful athletic programs in the state recruit/attract/etc student-athletes. It happens within and without the confines of the existing rules. It is done by private schools and it is done by public schools. Whether the kid who is recruited is from inner city Louisville, rural Kentucky, or Indiana is really irrelevant. Yes, it is unfair to the taxpayers, but that is only one of life's infinite inequities.

I expect no other sort of comment from anyone who represents an organization that takes people from everywhere.

I'll just let that statement stand alone.

 

What your saying is, as long as you represent the correct organization, the competition is fair.

No, what I'm saying is that the spirit of competition does not have geographic boundaries. The spirit of competition exists within the individuals competing, and most often those indivduals represent an organization. The organization may be a school, it may be a private school, or a public school, an independent school....

 

I thought the spirit of athletic competition was to teach young people the value of dedicating yourself to maximize your potential, not that as long as the rules allow it, and you are good enough, the proper ORGANIZATION will take you no matter where you are from so you can be sucessful.

You are mixing two concepts into one idea. First, the value of competition is to teach young people as you say. But within the school setting, it also teaches young people to represent their organization with pride, and to strive for greatness as a representative of that school. There is nothing improper or unethical about accepting young people who want to share and be a part of your organization. That goes for public or private schools.

Instead of the quote at the top of the page, maybe you should have said the spirit of competition is to do anything to win that you can get away with.

Again, I'll let this stand alone. This and the other comment speak volumes as to your thoughts on the subject.

 

I would still love to hear a competent reason why a kid from Kentucky should have to compete against a kid from Ohio, Indianna, or West Virginia to win state in Kentucky. Is it because those ORGANIZTIONS should be allowed to take anyone they please to make them better? Come on RM. Your ideas about athletic competition and high school attendance are certainly different than your politics.

 

There are many reasons a family may choose Trinity (for instance) and live in Indiana. They've been discussed ad naseum on this board, but I'll give a few examples again:

 

Tradition-Dad graduated from Trinity

Proximity-It's pretty easy to commute to Trinity, when many parents work in Louisville already.

Other-Trinity has a recognized program for kids with learning differences.

 

Those are a few that I can think of. And not one of them have to do with athletics.

 

94, as to my politics and my thoughts of school choice, I will tell you this----don't try to pigeonhole people. It's dangerous.

How exactly can you expect schools that do not exist on a state border to compete with that option? I think its time to evaluate your school's dedication to its students.

So we should somehow flip the state inside-out so that you can be closer to out-of-state students. Well, that certainly makes infinite sense. :lol:

 

And our school's dedication to achievement -- both academically, and athletically -- speaks for itself.

Once again I will ask, has a special education student ever been sent out of the Ft Thomas school district due to lack of facilities while a tuition student attended the institution.

I happen to know that this school system has a history of going the extra mile to see that every student -- special or otherwise -- has access to an education within the system. And if you knew who you were talking to, you would understand that a little better.

I happen to know that this school system has a history of going the extra mile to see that every student -- special or otherwise -- has access to an education within the system. And if you knew who you were talking to, you would understand that a little better.

 

I have seen personally a child that was sent to Campbell from Ft. Thomas that was FMD that the Ft. Thomas school system felt could be better served with the resources at Campbell. That pushes me to think that the resources in the Fort aren't as complete as Campbell's in that area, which shouldn't be the case. There would be nothing to be said and nothing to complain about on the other issue if quite frankly there had been no kids from across the river attend your institution. Like I have stated several times, some places will push the rules as far as they possibly can to win. Not illegal, especially if taken to the correct judge, but IMO along with many others, unethical. Its becoming very clear on here that as long as you are a fan of a program that uses these practices, you will think that they are perfectly all right. Like I have also stated, the majority of the state would not agree.

I have seen personally a child that was sent to Campbell from Ft. Thomas that was FMD that the Ft. Thomas school system felt could be better served with the resources at Campbell. That pushes me to think that the resources in the Fort aren't as complete as Campbell's in that area, which shouldn't be the case. There would be nothing to be said and nothing to complain about on the other issue if quite frankly there had been no kids from across the river attend your institution. Like I have stated several times, some places will push the rules as far as they possibly can to win. Not illegal, especially if taken to the correct judge, but IMO along with many others, unethical. Its becoming very clear on here that as long as you are a fan of a program that uses these practices, you will think that they are perfectly all right. Like I have also stated, the majority of the state would not agree.

Okay, you're just starting to sound silly now. :lol:

 

First of all, I'd like you to name all of these out of state students we have.

 

 

 

(eerie silence)

 

 

 

Okay...now that we have that out of the way, let's continue. If a child was referred to another school, it was because the child could be best served at that location. As I said, this doesn't happen in every case. But in any case, that has absolutely zero to do with what we're discussing here.

 

There is not one thing "unethical" about anything that's being done by any area schools. That's patently ridiculous! There are no "practices" as you say, going on. It's obviously just a serious case of sour grapes. Like I suggested earlier, you need to stop blaming other schools for your own school's failings. It will never improve until enough of your parents, faculty, and administration do so.

Okay, you're just starting to sound silly now. :lol:

 

First of all, I'd like you to name all of these out of state students we have.

 

 

 

(eerie silence)

 

 

 

Okay...now that we have that out of the way, let's continue. If a child was referred to another school, it was because the child could be best served at that location. As I said, this doesn't happen in every case. But in any case, that has absolutely zero to do with what we're discussing here.

 

There is not one thing "unethical" about anything that's being done by any area schools. That's patently ridiculous! There are no "practices" as you say, going on. It's obviously just a serious case of sour grapes. Like I suggested earlier, you need to stop blaming other schools for your own school's failings. It will never improve until enough of your parents, faculty, and administration do so.

 

Are you saying that students who live in Ohio have never attended Highlands?

Are you saying that students who live in Ohio have never attended Highlands?

 

And subsequently played sports?

Are you saying that students who live in Ohio have never attended Highlands?

None that I'm aware of off-hand. I do know of a few at other schools.

 

If there are any, they did so in a completely ethical manner, under the rules of the KHSAA. These rules apply equally and fairly to all schools.