Does Lexington Catholic not have an admissions test like LCA does? And if this is true shouldn't we expect Lexington Catholic to be moving up in football class since they have good success in football in lower classes? It would be odd to me that all of the Public Schools in Lexington are in class 6A except for Bryan Station and Lexington Catholic like you say does not control their enrollement and they have players from Fayette County and other local counties and are "naturally" in 4A. If this is true I would expect for them to grow into 6A very soon.

 

The levels are not absolute numbers. So even if schools wanted to (and they dont) to 'control' their populations it would not ensure they stay in the same class necessarily. I am not sure the trends of schools sizes overall but the KHSAA rules use a ranking every 2 years and are not absolute numbers - link below. So your classification could change without a change in your school size depending on the overall trend of school sizes.

 

As for LC specifically, while the last few freshmen classes have been bigger than past ones - the limit, that is mainly dictated by the physical size of the school, has not been reached. My understanding is that number is around 250. So the maximum size LC will ever grow at its current facility is around 1000 students. But the number has been between 800 and 900 the last few years. So in the past years every child that wanted to attend LC has been able to. If the 'limit' is reached there is a formula that indicates the criteria of priority of accepting students. Athletics is not part of the formula.

 

http://www.khsaa.org/handbook/tournamentrules/fbtournamentrules.pdf

Why only three?? Stay with at least six, so some of the whinners can get their "championship" first!! :lol: Those first round playoffs in the private division (I assume all would make the playoffs with only 16 teams) would be fun--Let's say Trinity vs. 1-A Brossart's 2nd year program, or X vs. Beth Haven--Now that's playoff football ESPN would be interested in!!

 

So, we make decisions in this state on athletics based on what ESPN would be interested in??? I thought it was what is based for the KY kids as a whole. Sorry. I was mistaken that it was about the kids and not what ESPN wants.

If the 'limit' is reached there is a formula that indicates the criteria of priority of accepting students.

 

I never said they were turning away students for athletic purposes or not but you have indicated their is a way to control the schools population. What is the formula for this?

I never said they were turning away students for athletic purposes or not but you have indicated their is a way to control the schools population. What is the formula for this?

 

I am not sure the exact forumula but I remember the more critical factors include membership in a Catholic parish, attendance at Catholic MS and if siblings already attend. I am sure there is a list the reads like a tie-breaker in a tournament. As it has not been a factor it does not get discussed usually.

So, we make decisions in this state on athletics based on what ESPN would be interested in??? I thought it was what is based for the KY kids as a whole. Sorry. I was mistaken that it was about the kids and not what ESPN wants.

 

WOW--Guess I should have used a sarcasm face to make it a little plainer for you?? Point was that it's doubtful you'd have very compelling playoffs with a total of 16 schools, 12 of which are small or very small schools, two middle sized and the two largest (boys) schools in the state!!

 

And yes, I believe the KSHAA should make decisions with all the kids in mind, and that doesn't appear to be the case to me by penalizing all private schools, because you can't figure out how to handle two very large boy's schools who tend to dominate the largest football class.

WOW--Guess I should have used a sarcasm face to make it a little plainer for you?? Point was that it's doubtful you'd have very compelling playoffs with a total of 16 schools, 12 of which are small or very small schools, two middle sized and the two largest (boys) schools in the state!!

 

And yes, I believe the KSHAA should make decisions with all the kids in mind, and that doesn't appear to be the case to me by penalizing all private schools, because you can't figure out how to handle two very large boy's schools who tend to dominate the largest football class.

 

Obviously, you don't know my posting on this matter very well at all. I hardly say much about X and T because I didn't know anything about them before joining BGP. They didn't exist in my world.

 

Now you want to talk about the privates dominance of the girls' sports, that is where my complaints have been. If the dominance of the past 7-10 years of the boys sports had been happening like on the girls' side, Prop 20 would have been an issue 5 years ago.

 

That said, my proposal is in this forum (I believe it might have been Jan, 2006 or 07, I first proposed it) and includes a division of schools that do not draw from their feeding area (open enrollment) and those that draw only for their feeding area (closed enrollment). No split at private and public.

 

And my proposal would make for more than just 16 schools and could create competitive classes.

My primary disagreement with a split is just plain numbers. There are not enough private schools in Kentucky to warrant a separate devision.

Obviously, you don't know my posting on this matter very well at all. I hardly say much about X and T because I didn't know anything about them before joining BGP. They didn't exist in my world.

 

Now you want to talk about the privates dominance of the girls' sports, that is where my complaints have been. If the dominance of the past 7-10 years of the boys sports had been happening like on the girls' side, Prop 20 would have been an issue 5 years ago.

 

That said, my proposal is in this forum (I believe it might have been Jan, 2006 or 07, I first proposed it) and includes a division of schools that do not draw from their feeding area (open enrollment) and those that draw only for their feeding area (closed enrollment). No split at private and public.

 

And my proposal would make for more than just 16 schools and could create competitive classes.

 

That would be an interesting split, but how would you determine open vs. closed?? It seems an awful lot of schools (public, independent and private) accept kids from outside their designated bounderies, especially up here in NKY?? And I'm constantly reading on here about this kid or that kid, "transferring" to school A or B, etc. in a seemingly never ending merry-go-round??

That would be an interesting split, but how would you determine open vs. closed?? It seems an awful lot of schools (public, independent and private) accept kids from outside their designated bounderies, especially up here in NKY?? And I'm constantly reading on here about this kid or that kid, "transferring" to school A or B, etc. in a seemingly never ending merry-go-round??

 

Very easy and exactly same way it is done now for public schools. Their boundaries are determined by the state, they accept kids outside those boundaries, they are open. They don't, they are closed. That determination is made by the board of education.

 

For privates, boundaries are determined and they do the same as publics presently do.

 

Which means, it is very possible and likely, that you would have a private school competing in the closed division.

 

So, you have like schools (drawing kids from outside their established boundaries) competing against like schools. And you have like schools (picking teams from only kids from their established boundaries) playing like schools.

Very easy and exactly same way it is done now for public schools. Their boundaries are determined by the state, they accept kids outside those boundaries, they are open. They don't, they are closed. That determination is made by the board of education.

 

This sounds like a reworking of the "feeder school" concept. I was never opposed to that type of rule except for the fact it would be very difficult to police or enforce. Also, the determination of the boundaries in a equitable fashion could be a contentious affair for privates and publics alike, especially when those boundaries might cross county lines or among schools in the same county.

Does the state set boundaries for individual schools, or just for local school districts?

Does the state set boundaries for individual schools, or just for local school districts?

 

Depends on how you are viewing boundaries.

 

State sets boundaries in which the school is responsible for educating those students within those boundaries unless the parents remove the student from the district by providing them with an alternative education choice, such as private schools or homeschooling.

 

A local school district could choose to extend those boundaries beyond what the state requires.

 

So, in essence, both do for school districts.

 

Now for different schools (ex. Ryle, Boone County and Conner all in the Boone County school district) within a school district, that, I believe is determined by the school district.

This sounds like a reworking of the "feeder school" concept. I was never opposed to that type of rule except for the fact it would be very difficult to police or enforce. Also, the determination of the boundaries in a equitable fashion could be a contentious affair for privates and publics alike, especially when those boundaries might cross county lines or among schools in the same county.

 

Anything at this point, including doing nothing, is going to be a contentious affair.

 

I am not sure why it would be a difficult thing to police or enforce. Child puts down the address they are living at and it fits into someone's feeding area.

Anything at this point, including doing nothing, is going to be a contentious affair.

 

I am not sure why it would be a difficult thing to police or enforce. Child puts down the address they are living at and it fits into someone's feeding area.

You're probably right. There is going to be tension between publics and privates whether there is regulatory involvement or not, split or not. A lot of this tension results from perceptions that the "other side" is trying to take something away from our own side. To many of us that perception is reality but may not be based entirely in fact. In any case, any action or inaction should be grounded by what is best for the individual kid. My son happens to need the extra discipline and guidance of the private school and thrives in it. He has cousins, however, that floundered in that environment and did much better in the public system.

There are, and always will be, a minority on both sides that take actions to bolster their own agendas rather than what is in the best interests of the kids. Those are the ones that end up causing schools to be punished and casting the perception of wrong-doing upon the vast majority of students, coaches, parents, administrators, etc. who are doing nothing wrong. I don't believe a split or regulation of districts or forming of feeder systems will completely eliminate the bad element. Much like the NCAA, much of the policing would have to be left up to the schools and the responsibility for disassociating themselves from those who break the rules would be theirs as well.

An example that would be difficult to police:

Johnny's dad wants him to attend School A because he wants his son to be on a championship football team. Johnny would do well at School B, his home district, and has no other compelling reason (religion, special interest, etc.) for attending School A. Johnny's grandfather lives in School A's district. Dad puts down Grandad's address as Johnny's residence so he can attend School A.

I saw this scenario many years ago between two public schools, but under a district boundary regulation it could just as easily be seen between privates (How do you draw boundaries for T & X?) or between public and private. This would be nearly impossible for an outside agency like KHSAA to detect just from reporting of students' listed residences.

You're probably right. There is going to be tension between publics and privates whether there is regulatory involvement or not, split or not. A lot of this tension results from perceptions that the "other side" is trying to take something away from our own side. To many of us that perception is reality but may not be based entirely in fact. In any case, any action or inaction should be grounded by what is best for the individual kid. My son happens to need the extra discipline and guidance of the private school and thrives in it. He has cousins, however, that floundered in that environment and did much better in the public system.

There are, and always will be, a minority on both sides that take actions to bolster their own agendas rather than what is in the best interests of the kids. Those are the ones that end up causing schools to be punished and casting the perception of wrong-doing upon the vast majority of students, coaches, parents, administrators, etc. who are doing nothing wrong. I don't believe a split or regulation of districts or forming of feeder systems will completely eliminate the bad element. Much like the NCAA, much of the policing would have to be left up to the schools and the responsibility for disassociating themselves from those who break the rules would be theirs as well.

An example that would be difficult to police:

Johnny's dad wants him to attend School A because he wants his son to be on a championship football team. Johnny would do well at School B, his home district, and has no other compelling reason (religion, special interest, etc.) for attending School A. Johnny's grandfather lives in School A's district. Dad puts down Grandad's address as Johnny's residence so he can attend School A.

I saw this scenario many years ago between two public schools, but under a district boundary regulation it could just as easily be seen between privates (How do you draw boundaries for T & X?) or between public and private. This would be nearly impossible for an outside agency like KHSAA to detect just from reporting of students' listed residences.

 

 

Only boundaries I would agree too as a Catholic would be the limits of hte Archdiocese of Louisville. The Catholics schools of Louisville are here for the local Catholic community and anyone in that vicinity who wants an education there.