We're not trying to kill everyone around us, just help reduce everyone around us risk of alzheimer's and parkinson's along with other diseases.

I don't think I follow what you're saying.

Nicotine has been proven to be a drug that can effectively reduce the risk of Alzheimer's by up to 50% and along with Parkinson's it is actually a big topic of research, especially at UK's school of pharmacy. There is actually a myriad of benefits of nicotine, but it has unfortunately been given such a bad reputation because of it's involvement with "evil" tobacco. So my St. Luis Rey churchill's do wonders for my brain.

Sorry that was a little off topic, but just because the majority of people don't like something doesn't mean banning it makes it right. Non-smokers treat smokers like disease ridden sub-humans in some extreme cases, while the majority of them are not that far off. We as Americans go out of our way to accommodate most minorities (not that I'm comparing smokers to say people in wheelchairs) whatever they may be, why do people go out of their way to make life difficult for smokers?

Speaking for myself, I will not go back to the ball park. I did not see a problem with the smoking area by the river. I have never smoked in the stands, my seat, or around other fans in the concourse. I have worked the concession stand's for school fundraiser's, and have had my share of serving "jerk's" beer at a day game's. Also, as a paying fan, I have paid over $100 for ticket's to have a classless act of a fan stick their bare feet over the seat next to us. :creepy:

their flab in my paid for space doesn't affect my health...

 

Heres the problem, I go to quite a few Reds games, and sit out near the centerfield section that is in question the most. I often walk right through that area behind the batters eye. I don't want to walk through the remnants of your cigarette smoke. and when there is one smoker, there is many, so its not like I can avoid it. if you have to walk through that section you have to walk through smoke and frankly, I don't like it. I don't have a problem with tobacco, but I know someone that once smoked but stopped and took up dip and chewing tobacco. Why? direct quote "When I dip, at least I am only killing myself, when I smoke, I kill everyone around me..."

 

 

The section in center/right center that drops back is a smokers haven and it's set aside from any foot traffic.

Nicotine has been proven to be a drug that can effectively reduce the risk of Alzheimer's by up to 50% and along with Parkinson's it is actually a big topic of research, especially at UK's school of pharmacy. There is actually a myriad of benefits of nicotine, but it has unfortunately been given such a bad reputation because of it's involvement with "evil" tobacco. So my St. Luis Rey churchill's do wonders for my brain.

 

I would recommend the nicotine patch, then, as it will not have those pesky "side effects" that tobacco does, i.e, cancer-causing agents.

...why do people go out of their way to make life difficult for smokers?

Because sometimes they won't go out of their way to avoid making life (and the continuation of it) difficult for others.

 

I have worked the concession stand's for school fundraiser's, and have had my share of serving "jerk's" beer at a day game's. Also, as a paying fan, I have paid over $100 for ticket's to have a classless act of a fan stick their bare feet over the seat next to us. :creepy:

I had season tickets, and often dealt with nasty drunks too. Inconsideration -- in any form -- shouldn't be tolerated in a public place.

I would recommend the nicotine patch, then, as it will not have the "side effects" that tobacco does, i.e, cancer-causing agents.

:thumb:

 

Touting smoking for its nicotene benefits is like promoting the calming effects of alcoholism.

Again, and again, what do you smokers want from the Reds? They have no choice but to ban smoking in a public place as it is THE LAW......

No go the bathroom and I'll try to cover it up with cig smoke. I won't really smoke in the bathroom. I doubt my fiance will want to go to a game she can't smoke at. I will go to less games. I also think that a lot of fans will stop attending because of the rule. I've never heard of anyone not attending a Reds game because of smoke. I don't go to Applebee's unless some one gives me a gift certificate and even then it's carryout.

And yet I go to Applebee's more often than I use to because of the same reason.

While I don't like sitting near smokers, most of the recent studies are saying that the old 2nd hand smoke fears were a sham brought on by the anti-tobacco folk. The more recent studies say that the dangers of 2nd hand smoke are far, far less than has been previously told to the public.

You beat me to it. While I wouldn't call it a sham, but construing of the facts. If your not a smoker and are occasionally exposed to second hand smoke (say you go out to a bar once a week for a few hours), then it virtually has no effects on you at all, unlike what the general public has been led to believe. Only when you are constantly exposed to second hand smoke over the course of a long time period (say you grew up with someone who was always smoking inside) is when you can be negatively affected. On another note I'm not suggesting that the benefits of smoking outweigh the bad, just pointing out that tobacco is not some phenomenon in the world, but is like everything else: it has both ups and downs. Just because some jerks that smoke refuse to make accommodations to those who don't isn't a good reason for the general population to make life miserable to the rest of us. My gripe isn't so much with the ball park but with the new law that has been passed. All I ask for is some reasonableness (not that anyone here can change anything on their own), tobacco and those who consume it aren't a blight on society.

While I don't like sitting near smokers, most of the recent studies are saying that the old 2nd hand smoke fears were a sham brought on by the anti-tobacco folk. The more recent studies say that the dangers of 2nd hand smoke are far, far less than has been previously told to the public.

Unfortunately, for some of us, that isn't the case. It's not just a long-term hazzard; but an immediate one.

Unfortunately, for some of us, that isn't the case. It's not just a long-term hazzard; but an immediate one.

My daughter's allergic. Around smoke and within minutes she cannot breathe. Walking through a group of smokers and she would begin to be stopped up.

And yet I go to Applebee's more often than I use to because of the same reason.

 

 

I would say I went more and I probably spent more money. I would go there probably once a week (or every other week) if you could smoke. I don't really miss the place that much. I did enjoy half price chicken wings though.