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CJ's Jason Frakes Sweet 16 seeding proposal

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9 hours ago, gridiron guy said:

Eventually, RPI rankings will likely be implemented for seeding. Furthermore, I anticipate these rankings being utilized to seed regional tournaments as well. 

I see them eliminating district tournaments and going to a Super Region like they do currently in the 15th region.

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  • David R
    David R

    Just put the 8 biggest schools in one half, and the 8 smallest in the other half.

  • nikeman49
    nikeman49

    Been working fairly well for 50+ years, why change anything?

  • Big East Zebra
    Big East Zebra

    Tell that to Lyon County 2 years ago.

19 hours ago, gridiron guy said:

Already being used in Football.

Yes, but will never happen with hoops, best tournament and money maker in the land!

3 hours ago, nikeman49 said:

Yes, but will never happen with hoops, best tournament and money maker in the land!

Can't be the best, when all the best teams don't get in.

15 hours ago, Big East Zebra said:

I see them eliminating district tournaments and going to a Super Region like they do currently in the 15th region.

This is closer to happening than people want to believe. 

1 hour ago, rjs4470 said:

Can't be the best, when all the best teams don't get in.

Well that can be said of any tournament.

6 hours ago, 4 Quarters said:

Well that can be said of any tournament.

Yes. But it's especially true here in Kentucky where all it takes is winning a few games in a weak region tournament. Kentucky doesn't even try to get the best 16 teams in.

3 minutes ago, rjs4470 said:

Yes. But it's especially true here in Kentucky where all it takes is winning a few games in a weak region tournament. Kentucky doesn't even try to get the best 16 teams in.

What is your formula for getting the best 16 in?

7 minutes ago, 4 Quarters said:

What is your formula for getting the best 16 in?

If you're married to the district-regional method of qualifying, the easiest way would be to keep the existing format with the 16 regional winners, but adding 8 at large teams for a 24 team tourney. Seed the top 8 (using region strength), random draw for the remaining 16. Obviously, you'd have to have a method to select the at large teams and the region strength, whether RPI or some other computer based formula (and I know how much everyone hates that). This keeps most of the existing format, while not punishing good teams from strong regions, and will pretty much ensure you've got the best teams playing for the prize, while still giving the "little guys" a chance and keeping Cindarella alive. 

45 minutes ago, rjs4470 said:

If you're married to the district-regional method of qualifying, the easiest way would be to keep the existing format with the 16 regional winners, but adding 8 at large teams for a 24 team tourney. Seed the top 8 (using region strength), random draw for the remaining 16. Obviously, you'd have to have a method to select the at large teams and the region strength, whether RPI or some other computer based formula (and I know how much everyone hates that). This keeps most of the existing format, while not punishing good teams from strong regions, and will pretty much ensure you've got the best teams playing for the prize, while still giving the "little guys" a chance and keeping Cindarella alive. 

I'm not bashing your plan, but that still does guarantee that you have the best 16 or 24 teams.

6 hours ago, rjs4470 said:

Yes. But it's especially true here in Kentucky where all it takes is winning a few games in a weak region tournament. Kentucky doesn't even try to get the best 16 teams in.

Does any state?

21 hours ago, rjs4470 said:

Can't be the best, when all the best teams don't get in.

Do a little survey and see who people think have the best high school tournament in the country!!!

15 hours ago, 4 Quarters said:

What is your formula for getting the best 16 in?

I’m a big supporter on 2 things:

1. Seeding….

2. Region winners & Runner Ups make the State Tournament 

Set up bracket like a Region bracket so the 2 teams in the same region couldn’t play until finals

First Round games are played at Region Champs home court, then move the Sweet Sixteen games on to Rupp….  This would “potentially “ flush out some weak Region Champs making the trip to Rupp. Plus if the top 2 teams in the state potentially are from the same region they get to play on big state for the Title.

15 hours ago, 4 Quarters said:

I'm not bashing your plan, but that still does guarantee that you have the best 16 or 24 teams.

No plan is perfect. And I'm not necessarily worried about getting the best 24 (or however many you choose). I do want to make sure we get at least the best 10 or 12 teams in, especially when the strongest few regions in the state have multiple teams that could contend. 

2 hours ago, nikeman49 said:

Do a little survey and see who people think have the best high school tournament in the country!!!

If you do that survey in KY, the answer will likely be KY. If you ask that in other states, you'll likely get different answers.

10 hours ago, sweet16 said:

Does any state?

Yes. There are many states that do computer based rankings (which I know aren't perfect), or a combination of conference/regional champs, and the next highest rated teams. Relying strictly on regions/district winners without considering competitive balance of those districts/regions is always going to leave good teams out. 

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