1 minute ago, brooksville said:

Here is what that person/org posted on social media.  Here is their page: https://www.instagram.com/rooksportsdidit?igsh=MW9xc2hkYnFjYWFtMw==

The above is exactly what I am talking about when schools play games.

Additionally, when I hear the NKY AD's have a policy all I hear is the "NKY AD's Good Old Boys Club" is going to pick and choose how to apply some ambiguous standards to an even more ambiguous definition of media. 

Ultimately for anyone that is denied, you have to take legal action against the school(s) in question.  Denying you has nothing to do with the education of children but it will cost a fortune for the schools to defend and that is how you get their attention. 

32 minutes ago, Tranquility Base said:

Who ever the school wants to allow down there with credentials is up to them, but there needs to be a limit. In NKY now it’s usually the 4 local news stations, what’s left of local print media and countless people who have photography as a hobby. Those are the ones that need to be limited. Add them to the people who think they are important enough to stand there and just watch and it gets crowded and people get hurt, players included. 

A limit huh!?  So (for NKY/Cincy area games) this week we are only going to allow Channel 5 and Channel 9 access to the game, Channels 12, 19, & 64, hit the bricks. But no school has the intestinal fortitude to tell a news station no. Furthermore, any one of those news stations would gut your school from the inside out if they had some dirt on you. 

On hobbyist, that is tough one to define, today I am a hobbyist, tomorrow I have a beautiful website saying I am a professional with numerous examples of my work as a professional.  How do the "Good Old Boys" figure that one out and more importantly how do they defend their actions in court?

Would this be ok... Requiring that all media receive permission to be on the field from the administration, prior to the game?

3 minutes ago, ChiefSmoke said:

Would this be ok... Requiring that all media receive permission to be on the field from the administration, prior to the game?

I think you need a portal and this all has to be squared away in advance like the KHSAA does it for events.  For a big game you would have to administer 20 requests and the big/legacy media isn't going to follow that process, they are just going to show up.  Are you going to deny a major TV station?

Here is more on what brooksville posted.  And there is an additional photographer trashing Cooper in that thread, a prominent AAU basketball coach trashing Cooper, our old friend Steve Stanton on the rampage again, people warning against sending a child to Cooper to play sports, and on and on.  A lot of it is not for BGP but I think you can read it all here:

https://www.facebook.com/QuintonRDay

3 hours ago, MaddenCurse44 said:

I heard Coopers AD kicked a student off the sidelines who was filming videos for kids.

So I guess he did that while coaching lol? 

Someone sent me this question in a PM:

When you did pictures at KHSAA championship games, did they want anything in return or just allow you to get the pictures?

Answer:

Yes, I had to pay a triple digit licensing fee (I think it was $150 or something close to that) to photograph and sell photos from a KHSAA championship event.  However, had I only wanted to use the photos for promotional purposes I may not have had to pay that fee.  With that said, I think most photographers/videographers at a KHSAA event are there for profit. 

2 minutes ago, 9068 said:

So I guess he did that while coaching lol? 

Should be easy and take ten seconds between plays.  

I remember when the WLKY reporter got hurt at Trinity game then filed lawsuit. I know after that the media had to sign a waiver. Football sidelines can be dangerous so if have too many people on sideline could have more injuries. Any non school personnel on sideline; the school should make sure they know who they are and have them sign a waiver that says they are taking risk of injury or death being on sideline.

Knew an Ohio official many years ago who was running down the sideline on a play and was clipped by a camera. Had his ear re-attached to his head surgically. I guess that's a worst case scenario about videography on the sidelines.......and social media was no factor.

This is WAY overdue.  There have been entirely too many people on sidelines for too long, especially at the big time schools with lots of state titles.  

When coaching, I have run into reporters and camera men numerous times because they are in the way.   I have seen kids getting hurt too because again they are completely in the way and do not care.  I have had camera people curse at me and players.  It's even worse when your game is being broadcast on cable TV as they run large wires all over your sidelines and create tripping hazards.  

At the multi title schools, you always have dozens of "somebodies" down on the sideline, usually around the 10 yard line to the goal line.  Typically these are big donors, celebrities, or other prominent people.  Enough already. 

Schools can deny whoever they want to the sidelines.  That isn't a right to be there, no matter your credentials or cameras. Everyone has a HD camera now with their cell phones, so just having a camera doesn't give you access.  

It's ironic that players and coaches have boundaries on the sidelines, but everyone else can go wherever they want.  Get right up to the sidelines.  Go outside the players' box.  

This doesn't occur in any other sport.  We don't let camera crews in our baseball and softball dugout, yet it's perfectly ok to have cameras in a coaches face while he's addressing his players on the bench, or my favorite, when they go on the field during a timeout and put a camera in everyone's face.  

Good for schools for limiting access.  Let whoever trash them online, that's fine.  There's too many people on sidelines that coaches and players don't know, and that's a big safety issue for me.  If you want to film or take photos, get cleared ahead of time.  If you don't, take them from the track.  Nobody is entitled to field access who isn't a coach, player, official, or health provider.

59 minutes ago, theguru said:

The above is exactly what I am talking about when schools play games.

Additionally, when I hear the NKY AD's have a policy all I hear is the "NKY AD's Good Old Boys Club" is going to pick and choose how to apply some ambiguous standards to an even more ambiguous definition of media. 

Ultimately for anyone that is denied, you have to take legal action against the school(s) in question.  Denying you has nothing to do with the education of children but it will cost a fortune for the schools to defend and that is how you get their attention. 

Flip side, school could take legal action against unauthorized use and publishing of students.  
It’s silly season.  Parents pay these people to come and shoot/tape these games. 
No one, I don’t think, is saying they can’t come and do their thing.  They can do it from the bleachers.  Would they still do it?  Just because you have a camera means you are media.  

 

Just now, ProblemChild said:

Flip side, school could take legal action against unauthorized use and publishing of students.  
It’s silly season.  Parents pay these people to come and shoot/tape these games. 
No one, I don’t think, is saying they can’t come and do their thing.  They can do it from the bleachers.  Would they still do it?  Just because you have a camera means you are media.  

Could they try, I guess, but it wouldn't go anywhere.  Remember, these are public events funded with our money.  Sometimes the schools/coaches forget that. 

57 minutes ago, ChiefSmoke said:

Would this be ok... Requiring that all media receive permission to be on the field from the administration, prior to the game?

I definitely think this should be the norm.  How do we know the cameraman doesn't have a violent criminal record or something of the sort.  The fact that schools just let these news stations pull up by the gates, park illegally not in spots, and walk onto the field without anyone saying a word is truly mind blowing when you think about it. 

59 minutes ago, theguru said:

Here is more on what brooksville posted.  And there is an additional photographer trashing Cooper in that thread, a prominent AAU basketball coach trashing Cooper, our old friend Steve Stanton on the rampage again, people warning against sending a child to Cooper to play sports, and on and on.  A lot of it is not for BGP but I think you can read it all here:

https://www.facebook.com/QuintonRDay

 

1 hour ago, brooksville said:

Here is what that person/org posted on social media.  Here is their page: https://www.instagram.com/rooksportsdidit?igsh=MW9xc2hkYnFjYWFtMw==

So reading this, sounds like they knew the school policy. As in the picture acknowledged the year before they applied for media credentials every single week.  Which also from reading this, sounds like they didn’t email for this scrimmage for media credentials, and just showed up, even though they know from the year before they need to. So making an issue out of this, when clearly from the year before they knew that policy, doesn’t seem to be Coopers fault on this.Rook photography is awesome and does a great job. However, based off how this reads. It Sounds like they messed up though by assuming and not asking like they did every week the year before. 

At the end of the day. Every school has disgruntled parents. The part that sucks for Cooper. Is one of those disgruntled parents, was able to very loud with his large social media presence. So now it made anyone who was disgruntled feel they should join in. When reality there is usually a lot more to the stories that disgruntled parents leave out in their venting.
 

On the topic at hand. I do think any photographer should ask for access, and not just assume. Schools need to know who is on their sidelines, or anyone with an iPhone can come down and say I’m here cause I want to take pictures of little Johnny. It’s quite simple ask for permission to take pics, and also state why. Like if a parent did pay for you to. Which in that case that parent should also ask the school first to make sure it’s fine before asking someone to take pics.