35 minutes ago, theguru said:

Again, when you allow some and not others in a public venue there is an equal access issue.

The public venue is the stands, not the field.  There is no equal access issue. 

Just now, New Colonel said:

The public venue is the stands, not the field.  There is no equal access issue. 

Again, you are twisting the context here.  This debate is about "media access" to public/independent high school events. If a school is going to allow media access then a school can't arbitrarily grant or deny media access based on a whim.  The debate is not, I want to stand on the field instead of sitting in the stands. 

What is the schools written media access policy?  Does the school even have a written policy?  Who is in charge of access?  Where does that authority come from?  How does the school define media?  Is the schools definition of media flawed or inadequate?  How does the school address new media?  Under what circumstances does the school deny media access?  What is the legal basis for the denials?  And on and on.   When you drill down on this issue I believe it is a very complicated and gray area in the law. Thankfully I don't have to deal with it any longer.  ?

1 hour ago, ProblemChild said:

Uh False.

Try reading signs when you enter school property.  

Oh, there’s a sign. That changes everything. Hey guys, there’s a sign, no equal opportunity here, the sign says so. Send the attorneys home, there’s a sign. 
 

34 minutes ago, Ram said:

Oh, there’s a sign. That changes everything. Hey guys, there’s a sign, no equal opportunity here, the sign says so. Send the attorneys home, there’s a sign. 
 

Schools only need reasonable suspicion to search on school grounds. This primarily pertains to students on school grounds.  Law enforcement may assist but the standard will probably go to probable cause.  Ever heard of dogs being brought on campus and doing searches etc.   

49 minutes ago, theguru said:

Again, you are twisting the context here.  This debate is about "media access" to public/independent high school events. If a school is going to allow media access then a school can't arbitrarily grant or deny media access based on a whim.  The debate is not, I want to stand on the field instead of sitting in the stands. 

What is the schools written media access policy?  Does the school even have a written policy?  Who is in charge of access?  Where does that authority come from?  How does the school define media?  Is the schools definition of media flawed or inadequate?  How does the school address new media?  Under what circumstances does the school deny media access?  What is the legal basis for the denials?  And on and on.   When you drill down on this issue I believe it is a very complicated and gray area in the law. Thankfully I don't have to deal with it any longer.  ?

You just added the public/independent high school events.  And the debate is quite literally who gets to be on the field.  As I said, schools, any school, can without question arbitrarily decide who gets access and who doesn't.  As I stated, it happens all the time.  Big donors, and whatnot get that VIP access all the time without any media credentials. 

Equal access is for public areas, which the football field during competition is not, so it's a moot point.  

1 minute ago, New Colonel said:

You just added the public/independent high school events.  And the debate is quite literally who gets to be on the field.  As I said, schools, any school, can without question arbitrarily decide who gets access and who doesn't.  As I stated, it happens all the time.  Big donors, and whatnot get that VIP access all the time without any media credentials. 

Equal access is for public areas, which the football field during competition is not, so it's a moot point.  

Where have you been this whole thread?  The thread is literally about videographers and photographers (members of the media) accessing the sidelines at high school sporting events so spelling it out in every response seems a little redundant. 

We agree to disagree. 

15 minutes ago, ProblemChild said:

Schools only need reasonable suspicion to search on school grounds. This primarily pertains to students on school grounds.  Law enforcement may assist but the standard will probably go to probable cause.  Ever heard of dogs being brought on campus and doing searches etc.   

Dogs aren’t brought on campus to search. They are brought on campus to create probable cause to allow a search.  But, I digress, let’s get back to the topic of media on the sideline. 

Just now, ProblemChild said:

Schools only need reasonable suspicion to search on school grounds. This primarily pertains to students on school grounds.  Law enforcement may assist but the standard will probably go to probable cause.  Ever heard of dogs being brought on campus and doing searches etc.   

I feel like we are off the reservation here.  A school has no additional legal authority to search a private citizen that is not a student of said school.  If the school has metal detectors at a school entrance that everyone has to go through and the citizen either refuses to go through the metal detector or sets the detector off, the school still does not have a legal right to search a private citizen but they do have a right to refuse entry.   Even if law enforcement is involved, law enforcement still follows the exact same applicable laws (as anywhere else in their jurisdiction) when dealing with non-student private citizens on a school campus.  As far as dogs, generally speaking that is for drugs but either way dogs are a tool law enforcement uses to generate probable cause for a search because the officer would not otherwise have a right to search.

6 hours ago, theguru said:

A limit huh!?  So (for NKY/Cincy area games) this week we are only going to allow Channel 5 and Channel 9 access to the game, Channels 12, 19, & 64, hit the bricks. But no school has the intestinal fortitude to tell a news station no. Furthermore, any one of those news stations would gut your school from the inside out if they had some dirt on you. 

On hobbyist, that is tough one to define, today I am a hobbyist, tomorrow I have a beautiful website saying I am a professional with numerous examples of my work as a professional.  How do the "Good Old Boys" figure that one out and more importantly how do they defend their actions in court?

Well, honestly, 5, 9, 12, and 19 are at NKY games long enough for one score, then they are back on the other side of the river.

I covering a game one time (fairly sure it was NCC at Ludlow...I know it was at Ludlow) and I got there the same time as the videographer from Channel 9.  Our first play there was a long TD run.  Channel 9 packed up and left.

9 minutes ago, Tranquility Base said:

Well, honestly, 5, 9, 12, and 19 are at NKY games long enough for one score, then they are back on the other side of the river.

I covering a game one time (fairly sure it was NCC at Ludlow...I know it was at Ludlow) and I got there the same time as the videographer from Channel 9.  Our first play there was a long TD run.  Channel 9 packed up and left.

I know, I have seen the same thing many times.  Get a highlight (ultimately to sell advertising) and then move on to the next game. 

8 hours ago, theguru said:

Someone sent me this question in a PM:

When you did pictures at KHSAA championship games, did they want anything in return or just allow you to get the pictures?

Answer:

Yes, I had to pay a triple digit licensing fee (I think it was $150 or something close to that) to photograph and sell photos from a KHSAA championship event.  However, had I only wanted to use the photos for promotional purposes I may not have had to pay that fee.  With that said, I think most photographers/videographers at a KHSAA event are there for profit. 

Here is the KHSAA policy: https://khsaa.org/media-reports-stats-pubs/media-resources/media-credentials/

Most of the state championship events are $150 for commercial photo/videographers.  However, it's $350 for basketball and football state championships.  I checked the state associations of Ohio, Tennessee, and Indiana, and they do not even allow commercial photographers at state events.  If you sell your photos/videos, you have to pay the fee.  If you are taking photos to be used in articles, you don't have to pay the fee.

I will say, the baseline at the KHSAA basketball state events has been pretty crowded the last several years, and I wouldn't be surprised if they raise the commercial fee or not allow as many or any commercial photographers.  This would only allow photographers from print/web outlets, school media, and KHSAA's official photographers.  The 9th Region charged a fee this year for commercial photographers, too.

After seeing the situation with Cooper, I think every school athletic department should create a fair policy for the media at athletic events, especially when it comes to being on the football sidelines or the basketball baseline.  Anyone with a camera should not be allowed on the field saying they are media. But this person had been to multiple Cooper games it sounds like. 

And let's not forget what happened at Trinity, where a photographer filed a lawsuit because he was injured on the sidelines.

10 hours ago, brooksville said:

 

And let's not forget what happened at Trinity, where a photographer filed a lawsuit because he was injured on the sidelines.

And wasn't that lawsuit thrown out?

On 8/10/2025 at 11:48 AM, MaddenCurse44 said:

I heard Coopers AD kicked a student off the sidelines who was filming videos for kids.

Some of the kids out there are the ones who know technology the best....I've seen some student-produced hype videos that absolutely eclipsed anything any 40 or 50 year old photographer could ever hope to be able to put together with their footage.

On 8/10/2025 at 12:43 PM, ProblemChild said:

Legacy media is dead.  Again is BGP, NKY Tribune and such there reporting and covering a game or profiting off 16 year olds?

Is a junior chemistry teacher not trying to profit off of 16 year olds? They're taking home a salary earned by teaching 16 year olds. Is that any different from a media member taking home a salary from reporting or covering a game played by 16 year olds?

Is a business selling high school spirit wear not trying to profit off of 16 year olds? Does Jostens not try to profit off of 16 year olds with their sales of yearbooks and class rings? Are the people who make the kids shoes, shirts, pants, pens, pencils, and school bags not trying to profit off 16 year olds? How about the grocery stores and restaurants who sell them food...are they not trying to make a profit off 16 year olds?

Why is profiting off 16 year olds such a bad thing when people in one industry do it but not another?