common_sense_eagle Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 Long-time reader here that's finally making my first post. I thought this platform would be the most suitable to share my insights in the hope that someone can convey it to the relevant authorities at KHSAA. Upon reviewing the initially suggested 5A District seedings by KHSAA, I found myself concerned. The 12 western teams from Districts 1 and 2 cover the largest geographical area. In my opinion, districts with the greatest geographical separation should ideally have fewer teams. However, this doesn't align with the current proposal. For instance, District 3, whose farthest game is a mere 20-minute drive, has four teams, while District one involves multiple trips taking over 2 hours each. To address this, I utilized an Artificial Intelligence (AI), inputting all team addresses, instructing it to formulate the optimal District lineup. The first image displays the proposed alignment by KHSAA, while the second image shows the AI-generated districts. The image itself makes the point, but for a more detailed view, refer to the tables at the end of this post. Key Points from the tables: With the AI Districts, the farthest district game involves a 3-hour round trip, as opposed to KHSAA's farthest district game being 4 hours and 24 minutes. Notably, it involves the same team, Graves County, reducing their farthest district game by 1 hour and 30 minutes. The farthest sister district game in the AI Districts is 4 hours and 24 minutes. Interestingly, this game is currently an in-district game with KHSAA's proposed districts. Let me write this again for emphasis, the farthest sister district game, that isn't even a guarantee to happen, in the AI-created districts is a KHSAA District Game. With the AI District schedule, no team, except for District 1, will travel over 1 hour for crucial in District games, and none will exceed 2 hours for their first two round games against their sister district. The only downside, and a minor one at that, is that just a few teams around Louisville will have to travel a little further. However, no district games will extend beyond 30 minutes, a small compromise compared to the hours other teams would spend with the current proposed districting. This AI system brings several advantages, including cost savings for schools, enhanced player safety as they will not be driving home on county roads in the early morning hours, and potentially increased attendance due to closer game locations. This isn't intended as criticism against KHSAA's proposed districting; rather, it highlights the efficiency of AI in performing calculations that would take a human much longer. I focused on 5A because that's the school I support, but applying this to other classifications wouldn't be difficult. AI Created KHSAA Proposed Farthest District Games School A School B Time Trip Round Trip Farthest District Games School A School B Time Trip Round Trip District 1 Graves Co Muhlenberg Co 1 hr 30 min 3 hrs District 1 Graves County Owensboro 2 hrs 12 min 4 hrs 24 min District 2 Owensboro Grayson Co 1 hr 3 min 2 hrs 6 min District 2 Ohio County Barren County 1 hr 16 min 2 hrs 32 min District 3 Warren Central Barren Co 41 min 1hr 22 min District 3 Seneca Butler 18 min 36 min District 4 Butler Bullitt Central 24 min 48 min District 4 Jeffersontown Bullitt Central 30 min 1 hr District 5 Oldham Moore 34 min 1 hr 8 min District 5 Conner Scott 19 min 38 min District 6 Conner Scott 19 min 38 min District 6 South Oldham Scott Co 1 hr 10 min 2 hrs 20 min District 7 Anderson Montgomery 1 hr 6 min 2 hrs 12 min District 7 Madison Southern Montgomery 1 hr 2 hrs District 8 Madison Southern Southwestern 57 min 1 hr 54 min District 8 Southwestern North Laurel 49 min 1 hr 38 min Total Time 6hr 34 min 13 hrs 8 min Total Time 7 hr 34 min 15 hrs 8 min *Possibility these games never happen Farthest Sister District Game School A School B Time Trip Round Trip Farthest Sister District Game School A School B Time Trip Round Trip District 1 and 2 Graves Co Owensboro 2 hrs 12 min 4hrs 24 min District 1 and 2 Graves County Barren County 2 hr 54 min 5 hrs 48 min District 3 and 4 Greenwood Butler 1 hr 45 min 3 hrs 30 min District 3 and 4 Bullit Central Jeffersontown 21 min 42 min District 5 and 6 Moore Conner 1 hr 50 min 3 hrs 40 min District 5 and 6 Anderson Conner 1 hr 33 min 3 hrs 6 min District 7 and 8 Scott Co Southwestern 1 hr 42 min 3 hrs 24 min District 7 and 8 Montgomery Southwestern 1 hr 52 min 3 hrs 44 min Total Time 7 hr 29 min 14 hrs 58 min Total Time 6 hr 40 min 13 hrs 20 min AI Districts KHSAA Districts District 1 District 2 District 3 District 4 District 1 District 2 District 3 District 4 Graves Bowling Green Owensboro Butler Graves Bowling Green Atherton B. Central Marshall Warren Central Apollo Iroquois Marshall Warren Central Butler Fairdale Muhlenberg Greenwood Ohio Fairdale Muhlenberg Greenwood Iroquois Jeffersonto Madisonville Barren County Grayson North Bullitt Madisonville Barren Seneca Moore Bullitt Central Apollo Ohio North Bullitt Owensboro Grayson District 5 District 6 District 7 District 8 District 5 District 6 District 7 District 8 Atherton Conner Anderson Madison South Boone Anderson Co E Jessamine N Laurel Seneca Cooper Woodford Pulaski Conner Collins W Jessamine S Laurel Moore Boone Scott Co Southwestern Cooper Scott Madison S Pulaski Jeffersontown Scott Montgomery North Laurel Dixie Heights Oldham Montgomery Southwester South Oldham Dixie Heights E Jessamine South Laurel Scott Woodford Collins W Jessamine 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theguru Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 Welcome to BGP @common_sense_eagle! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DearToday Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 This post is awesome. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoneblitz24 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 After reading this and really breaking it down I don't know if you can come up with a logical argument against it. Something like this takes all human bias out of the equation and does it off of true travel distance which is what the KHSAA says they do when they make these decisions. This AI should be used to create all of the reclassifications in my opinion. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAT DIESEL POWER Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 1 hour ago, common_sense_eagle said: Long-time reader here that's finally making my first post. I thought this platform would be the most suitable to share my insights in the hope that someone can convey it to the relevant authorities at KHSAA. Upon reviewing the initially suggested 5A District seedings by KHSAA, I found myself concerned. The 12 western teams from Districts 1 and 2 cover the largest geographical area. In my opinion, districts with the greatest geographical separation should ideally have fewer teams. However, this doesn't align with the current proposal. For instance, District 3, whose farthest game is a mere 20-minute drive, has four teams, while District one involves multiple trips taking over 2 hours each. To address this, I utilized an Artificial Intelligence (AI), inputting all team addresses, instructing it to formulate the optimal District lineup. The first image displays the proposed alignment by KHSAA, while the second image shows the AI-generated districts. The image itself makes the point, but for a more detailed view, refer to the tables at the end of this post. Key Points from the tables: With the AI Districts, the farthest district game involves a 3-hour round trip, as opposed to KHSAA's farthest district game being 4 hours and 24 minutes. Notably, it involves the same team, Graves County, reducing their farthest district game by 1 hour and 30 minutes. The farthest sister district game in the AI Districts is 4 hours and 24 minutes. Interestingly, this game is currently an in-district game with KHSAA's proposed districts. Let me write this again for emphasis, the farthest sister district game, that isn't even a guarantee to happen, in the AI-created districts is a KHSAA District Game. With the AI District schedule, no team, except for District 1, will travel over 1 hour for crucial in District games, and none will exceed 2 hours for their first two round games against their sister district. The only downside, and a minor one at that, is that just a few teams around Louisville will have to travel a little further. However, no district games will extend beyond 30 minutes, a small compromise compared to the hours other teams would spend with the current proposed districting. This AI system brings several advantages, including cost savings for schools, enhanced player safety as they will not be driving home on county roads in the early morning hours, and potentially increased attendance due to closer game locations. This isn't intended as criticism against KHSAA's proposed districting; rather, it highlights the efficiency of AI in performing calculations that would take a human much longer. I focused on 5A because that's the school I support, but applying this to other classifications wouldn't be difficult. AI Created KHSAA Proposed Farthest District Games School A School B Time Trip Round Trip Farthest District Games School A School B Time Trip Round Trip District 1 Graves Co Muhlenberg Co 1 hr 30 min 3 hrs District 1 Graves County Owensboro 2 hrs 12 min 4 hrs 24 min District 2 Owensboro Grayson Co 1 hr 3 min 2 hrs 6 min District 2 Ohio County Barren County 1 hr 16 min 2 hrs 32 min District 3 Warren Central Barren Co 41 min 1hr 22 min District 3 Seneca Butler 18 min 36 min District 4 Butler Bullitt Central 24 min 48 min District 4 Jeffersontown Bullitt Central 30 min 1 hr District 5 Oldham Moore 34 min 1 hr 8 min District 5 Conner Scott 19 min 38 min District 6 Conner Scott 19 min 38 min District 6 South Oldham Scott Co 1 hr 10 min 2 hrs 20 min District 7 Anderson Montgomery 1 hr 6 min 2 hrs 12 min District 7 Madison Southern Montgomery 1 hr 2 hrs District 8 Madison Southern Southwestern 57 min 1 hr 54 min District 8 Southwestern North Laurel 49 min 1 hr 38 min Total Time 6hr 34 min 13 hrs 8 min Total Time 7 hr 34 min 15 hrs 8 min *Possibility these games never happen Farthest Sister District Game School A School B Time Trip Round Trip Farthest Sister District Game School A School B Time Trip Round Trip District 1 and 2 Graves Co Owensboro 2 hrs 12 min 4hrs 24 min District 1 and 2 Graves County Barren County 2 hr 54 min 5 hrs 48 min District 3 and 4 Greenwood Butler 1 hr 45 min 3 hrs 30 min District 3 and 4 Bullit Central Jeffersontown 21 min 42 min District 5 and 6 Moore Conner 1 hr 50 min 3 hrs 40 min District 5 and 6 Anderson Conner 1 hr 33 min 3 hrs 6 min District 7 and 8 Scott Co Southwestern 1 hr 42 min 3 hrs 24 min District 7 and 8 Montgomery Southwestern 1 hr 52 min 3 hrs 44 min Total Time 7 hr 29 min 14 hrs 58 min Total Time 6 hr 40 min 13 hrs 20 min AI Districts KHSAA Districts District 1 District 2 District 3 District 4 District 1 District 2 District 3 District 4 Graves Bowling Green Owensboro Butler Graves Bowling Green Atherton B. Central Marshall Warren Central Apollo Iroquois Marshall Warren Central Butler Fairdale Muhlenberg Greenwood Ohio Fairdale Muhlenberg Greenwood Iroquois Jeffersonto Madisonville Barren County Grayson North Bullitt Madisonville Barren Seneca Moore Bullitt Central Apollo Ohio North Bullitt Owensboro Grayson District 5 District 6 District 7 District 8 District 5 District 6 District 7 District 8 Atherton Conner Anderson Madison South Boone Anderson Co E Jessamine N Laurel Seneca Cooper Woodford Pulaski Conner Collins W Jessamine S Laurel Moore Boone Scott Co Southwestern Cooper Scott Madison S Pulaski Jeffersontown Scott Montgomery North Laurel Dixie Heights Oldham Montgomery Southwester South Oldham Dixie Heights E Jessamine South Laurel Scott Woodford Collins W Jessamine Can you do this for all classes? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theguru Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 44 minutes ago, DearToday said: This post is awesome. I know right! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
common_sense_eagle Posted February 26 Author Share Posted February 26 42 minutes ago, CAT DIESEL POWER said: Can you do this for all classes? If someone is willing to give me all the addresses for their class on a nice spreadsheet it would be no problem. I could just replace that data with what I have for 5A I would advise KHSAA to get someone familiar with geospatial-ai and have them do this, because it would take that person probably a few minutes and you'd have the best districts possible with every school in mind without any human bias. I am just some nerd playing with distances and numbers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMD Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 KHSAA should hire Common_ Sense_Eagle. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankNicodemus Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 @common_sense_eagle for the WIN!!! 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBearsFavoriteHat Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 3 hours ago, zoneblitz24 said: After reading this and really breaking it down I don't know if you can come up with a logical argument against it. And that's exactly why the KHSAA would never use it lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
common_sense_eagle Posted February 27 Author Share Posted February 27 3 hours ago, FrankNicodemus said: @common_sense_eagle for the WIN!!! It’s a little sad how much this looks like me 😂 No longer have the glasses though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
common_sense_eagle Posted February 27 Author Share Posted February 27 Most importantly, if anyone has connections to KHSAA please forward this to them. I don’t care who gets credit. If it truly is based on geography then this is a perfect resource for them and they don’t have to do any guess work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gcbleedblue Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 As a fellow Graves County fan, this is incredible. I have always thought it was odd that we would drive pretty much by other 5A schools not in our district only to drive another hour to get to a school within our district. I always wondered if KHSAA just didn't know how spread out things were this far west. Your numbers really put things into perspective, especially the point that the AI's farthest sister district game is the same distance as a current district game. This should be changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneAndOnly Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 This actually makes a lot of sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calico Jack Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Nobody can argue this, and the same would be true for the rest of the classes. Absolutely wonderful @common_sense_eagle 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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