3 minutes ago, futurecoach said:

Ky school report website has them at 55%. 
 

https://www.kyschoolreportcard.com/organization/52965?year=2023

I like that link, I see only 7.6% of Boone County grads go on to college.  According to this source Ryle is 16%, Cooper 16.4%, and Conner 11.2%.  There are other numbers about work and school but that is the apples to apples comparison and just like Economically Disadvantaged students and the English Language Learners (ELL) students, Boone County high school is the outlier on the negative end.

1 minute ago, theguru said:

I like that link, I see only 7.6% of Boone County grads go on to college.  According to this source Ryle is 16%, Cooper 16.4%, and Conner 11.2%.  There are other numbers about work and school but that is the apples to apples comparison and just like Economically Disadvantaged students and the English Language Learners (ELL) students, Boone County high school is the outlier on the negative end.

I would have never guessed any of those would be that low. Wowza. 

2 minutes ago, TheConch said:

I would have never guessed any of those would be that low. Wowza. 

Same, but just for Conner, their "Work School Combination" part of the chart is 56.4%.  I think the lower numbers for the original college stat are the full time, full college experiencers vs. the I am working and going to NKU crowd.

4 hours ago, futurecoach said:

I could be wrong, but I’m not sure the number you listed there for Boone County in regards to free and reduced lunch percentage is right. Everything I pull up shows that number being in the 50s not 70s. Which that is still higher than the other schools in the district though. 

The data that @theguru used in his post was taken from a post of mine in a past thread. I got that data directly from the Kentucky Dept. of Education's website. Here is the link to find it: SCHOOL AND COMMUNITY NUTRITION: QUALIFYING DATA | KY Dept of Education

I double-checked for the 2022-2023 school year, which does in fact show Boone County as having 938 of their 1282 enrolled students on free lunch. That's 73.17% of the total enrollment. Cooper has 26.41% on free lunch, Conner has 28.62% on free lunch, and Ryle has 30.08% on free lunch.

Looks like this school year Boone County is at 78.22% of their students receiving free lunch, Cooper has 26.63% receiving free lunch, Conner has 30.46% receiving free lunch, and Ryle has 30.64% receiving free lunch.

Here are direct download links for the Dept. of Educations data spreadsheets for last school year and this school year.

2022-2023 Qualifying Data

2023-2024 Qualifying Data

Here is the data for the entire Boone County School District For the 2022-2023 school year, since that was what 'Ru used in his thread and what you were questioning @futurecoach.

School Name	Total Enrolled	# Free Lunch	# Reduced Lunch	# Paid Lunch	% Free Lunch	% Reduced Lunch	% Free + Reduced
Randall K Cooper High School	1,458	385	59	1,014	26.41%	4.05%	30.45%
Chester Goodridge Elementary School	641	422	0	219	65.83%	0.00%	65.83%
Burlington Elementary School	700	469	0	231	67.00%	0.00%	67.00%
Florence Elementary School	651	651	0	0	100.00%	0.00%	100.00%
Gray Middle School	1,026	252	23	751	24.56%	2.24%	26.80%
Stephens Elementary School	588	375	0	213	63.78%	0.00%	63.78%
Charles H Kelly Elementary School	232	140	0	92	60.34%	0.00%	60.34%
Boone County High School	1,282	938	0	344	73.17%	0.00%	73.17%
Rector A Jones Middle School	685	685	0	0	100.00%	0.00%	100.00%
North Pointe Elementary School	430	99	26	305	23.02%	6.05%	29.07%
Hillard Collins Elementary School	491	491	0	0	100.00%	0.00%	100.00%
Larry A Ryle High School	2,008	604	51	1,353	30.08%	2.54%	32.62%
Shirley Mann Elementary School	713	117	13	583	16.41%	1.82%	18.23%
Longbranch Elementary School	867	194	33	640	22.38%	3.81%	26.18%
Conner High School	1,429	409	63	957	28.62%	4.41%	33.03%
Ockerman Middle School	660	286	35	339	43.33%	5.30%	48.64%
AM Yealey Elementary School	607	410	0	197	67.55%	0.00%	67.55%
New Haven Elementary School	687	141	14	532	20.52%	2.04%	22.56%
Conner Middle School	901	278	45	578	30.85%	4.99%	35.85%
Camp Ernst Middle School	729	306	46	377	41.98%	6.31%	48.29%
Ockerman Elementary School	789	765	0	24	96.96%	0.00%	96.96%
Erpenbeck Elementary School	706	170	22	514	24.08%	3.12%	27.20%
Thornwilde Elementary School	638	176	11	451	27.59%	1.72%	29.31%
Ballyshannon Middle School	632	153	24	455	24.21%	3.80%	28.01%
Ignite Institute	753	207	18	528	27.49%	2.39%	29.88%
Steeplechase Elementary	581	569	0	12	97.93%	0.00%	97.93%

There are a lot of obstacles that come with having a large free and reduced lunch population. Spend anytime in one of those schools and you’ll see a difference. There are reasons why if you teach at schools in that category for enough time your student loans are reduced. 

So now that it has been clearly established that BCHS is an outlier in a County system where all taxpayers pay the same rate... who takes this job and why ??  Owen Hauck ain't walking through that door.

1 hour ago, James Graham said:

So now that it has been clearly established that BCHS is an outlier in a County system where all taxpayers pay the same rate... who takes this job and why ??  Owen Hauck ain't walking through that door.

You keep talking about tax payers paying the same rate. Once again though you ignore about how and why should it be any different than any other school in the state. People know exactly what school area they are in when they buy a house. So while yes they are paying the same rate, they also know exactly what school their house or apartment area is in when they make that choice. Which is the exactly the same as every school in the state, about students going to schools closest to where they live usually. Which gets back to the only realistic thing a district can do to make it more fair so their “tax dollars” they pay allow them to go to other schools is to make it open enrollment. Which I think most people acknowledge that probably wouldn’t help Boone at all. So the district keeping it closed, actually probably helps Boone more than hurts. 

11 hours ago, Colonels_Wear_Blue said:

The data that @theguru used in his post was taken from a post of mine in a past thread. I got that data directly from the Kentucky Dept. of Education's website. Here is the link to find it: SCHOOL AND COMMUNITY NUTRITION: QUALIFYING DATA | KY Dept of Education

I double-checked for the 2022-2023 school year, which does in fact show Boone County as having 938 of their 1282 enrolled students on free lunch. That's 73.17% of the total enrollment. Cooper has 26.41% on free lunch, Conner has 28.62% on free lunch, and Ryle has 30.08% on free lunch.

Looks like this school year Boone County is at 78.22% of their students receiving free lunch, Cooper has 26.63% receiving free lunch, Conner has 30.46% receiving free lunch, and Ryle has 30.64% receiving free lunch.

Here are direct download links for the Dept. of Educations data spreadsheets for last school year and this school year.

2022-2023 Qualifying Data

2023-2024 Qualifying Data

Here is the data for the entire Boone County School District For the 2022-2023 school year, since that was what 'Ru used in his thread and what you were questioning @futurecoach.
 

School Name	Total Enrolled	# Free Lunch	# Reduced Lunch	# Paid Lunch	% Free Lunch	% Reduced Lunch	% Free + Reduced
Randall K Cooper High School	1,458	385	59	1,014	26.41%	4.05%	30.45%
Chester Goodridge Elementary School	641	422	0	219	65.83%	0.00%	65.83%
Burlington Elementary School	700	469	0	231	67.00%	0.00%	67.00%
Florence Elementary School	651	651	0	0	100.00%	0.00%	100.00%
Gray Middle School	1,026	252	23	751	24.56%	2.24%	26.80%
Stephens Elementary School	588	375	0	213	63.78%	0.00%	63.78%
Charles H Kelly Elementary School	232	140	0	92	60.34%	0.00%	60.34%
Boone County High School	1,282	938	0	344	73.17%	0.00%	73.17%
Rector A Jones Middle School	685	685	0	0	100.00%	0.00%	100.00%
North Pointe Elementary School	430	99	26	305	23.02%	6.05%	29.07%
Hillard Collins Elementary School	491	491	0	0	100.00%	0.00%	100.00%
Larry A Ryle High School	2,008	604	51	1,353	30.08%	2.54%	32.62%
Shirley Mann Elementary School	713	117	13	583	16.41%	1.82%	18.23%
Longbranch Elementary School	867	194	33	640	22.38%	3.81%	26.18%
Conner High School	1,429	409	63	957	28.62%	4.41%	33.03%
Ockerman Middle School	660	286	35	339	43.33%	5.30%	48.64%
AM Yealey Elementary School	607	410	0	197	67.55%	0.00%	67.55%
New Haven Elementary School	687	141	14	532	20.52%	2.04%	22.56%
Conner Middle School	901	278	45	578	30.85%	4.99%	35.85%
Camp Ernst Middle School	729	306	46	377	41.98%	6.31%	48.29%
Ockerman Elementary School	789	765	0	24	96.96%	0.00%	96.96%
Erpenbeck Elementary School	706	170	22	514	24.08%	3.12%	27.20%
Thornwilde Elementary School	638	176	11	451	27.59%	1.72%	29.31%
Ballyshannon Middle School	632	153	24	455	24.21%	3.80%	28.01%
Ignite Institute	753	207	18	528	27.49%	2.39%	29.88%
Steeplechase Elementary	581	569	0	12	97.93%	0.00%	97.93%

Thank you for sharing. Which as you notice I even said I could be wrong on that, but it is weird that all other sites shows something different. Especially the Ky school report card which shows all that too and looks at all that data. So thanks for sharing that! 

https://www.kyschoolreportcard.com/organization/53526?year=2023

 

I look at Jeffersontown, a 4A school, with very similar demographics to Boone, with an even higher poverty rate, and wonder why they can be successful in football if the poverty issue is the driving force against it happening at Boone.

38 minutes ago, futurecoach said:

You keep talking about tax payers paying the same rate. Once again though you ignore about how and why should it be any different than any other school in the state. People know exactly what school area they are in when they buy a house. So while yes they are paying the same rate, they also know exactly what school their house or apartment area is in when they make that choice. Which is the exactly the same as every school in the state, about students going to schools closest to where they live usually. Which gets back to the only realistic thing a district can do to make it more fair so their “tax dollars” they pay allow them to go to other schools is to make it open enrollment. Which I think most people acknowledge that probably wouldn’t help Boone at all. So the district keeping it closed, actually probably helps Boone more than hurts. 

Are you serious with this ?? Really ??  Hey, sorry kid you are screwed because of where you live... deal with it.  First, you act like some of these folks have a "choice."  Second, this is America the land of opportunity and EQUAL ACCESS.  This is not equal.  BCPS created it and they need to fix it.  Third, that's precisely what Kentucky law allows school districts to do.  The Board has wide latitude (meaning a Court will not overturn) in determining boundaries.  The Board does not have to send a kid to the school closest to them.  Finally, I am not ignoring a thing.  You apparently do not grasp the concept of a County School System that has more than one high school.  The whole premise of that is to make the high schools as equal as possible because all citizens of the County are paying into the school system.   

Now... how will Boone County get a coach nearly as good as Bryson ???

7 minutes ago, James Graham said:

Are you serious with this ?? Really ??  Hey, sorry kid you are screwed because of where you live... deal with it.  First, you act like some of these folks have a "choice."  Second, this is America the land of opportunity and EQUAL ACCESS.  This is not equal.  BCPS created it and they need to fix it.  Third, that's precisely what Kentucky law allows school districts to do.  The Board has wide latitude (meaning a Court will not overturn) in determining boundaries.  The Board does not have to send a kid to the school closest to them.  Finally, I am not ignoring a thing.  You apparently do not grasp the concept of a County School System that has more than one high school.  The whole premise of that is to make the high schools as equal as possible because all citizens of the County are paying into the school system.   

Now... how will Boone County get a coach nearly as good as Bryson ???

I'm literally asking here, can you give me examples of which county schools in a closed district literally would send kids to other schools in their district that are further away from the school closest to them? So you’re saying there are other counties out there that would send a kid say that lives next to Ryle, but make them go to Boone. While a kid lives next to Boone and make them go to Ryle just so to make it more equal in regards to free and reduced lunch? You also keep acting like these free and reduced students are helpless and can’t succeed in classroom or playing field and that is simply not true. I can say that because I have done both taught and coached at schools are are a lot worse off to financially than Boone, and seen they can be successful. Yet some of you act like it is this hopeless situation. 
 

As I have said before one of the worst things people can do in these situations is to give these players, students, etc excuses for why they can’t be successful. Which is what some of you seem to want to do. 

25 minutes ago, En Fuego Hombre said:

https://www.kyschoolreportcard.com/organization/53526?year=2023

 

I look at Jeffersontown, a 4A school, with very similar demographics to Boone, with an even higher poverty rate, and wonder why they can be successful in football if the poverty issue is the driving force against it happening at Boone.

Good question.  So what Boone requested during the last reclassification year was to be reclassed into a lower class instead of 5A.  Say Boone was in NKY's 4A district.  They beat Holmes 31-0, so there is one win.  And, that score was similar to the scores that other NKY 4A teams (Harrison County, Mason County and Grant County) beat them by.  So, again, no guarantees, but it seems like those games would have been competitive as opposed to getting stomped in 5A including two 5A schools in their own county.   

18 minutes ago, James Graham said:

Good question.  So what Boone requested during the last reclassification year was to be reclassed into a lower class instead of 5A.  Say Boone was in NKY's 4A district.  They beat Holmes 31-0, so there is one win.  And, that score was similar to the scores that other NKY 4A teams (Harrison County, Mason County and Grant County) beat them by.  So, again, no guarantees, but it seems like those games would have been competitive as opposed to getting stomped in 5A including two 5A schools in their own county.   

My point is that Jeffersontown, despite being a school faced with grinding poverty among it's students, is successfully fielding a competitive football team.  Boone's issue seems to be getting enough kids motivated and involved to even field a competitive team.  How does the Jeffersontown staff keep kids involved in their program while Boone cannot?   Also, allowing a lower classification due to not being competitive, could open a Pandora's box throughout the state.

43 minutes ago, En Fuego Hombre said:

My point is that Jeffersontown, despite being a school faced with grinding poverty among it's students, is successfully fielding a competitive football team.  Boone's issue seems to be getting enough kids motivated and involved to even field a competitive team.  How does the Jeffersontown staff keep kids involved in their program while Boone cannot?   Also, allowing a lower classification due to not being competitive, could open a Pandora's box throughout the state.

This!

1 hour ago, En Fuego Hombre said:

https://www.kyschoolreportcard.com/organization/53526?year=2023

 

I look at Jeffersontown, a 4A school, with very similar demographics to Boone, with an even higher poverty rate, and wonder why they can be successful in football if the poverty issue is the driving force against it happening at Boone.

I don’t think Jtown is a great example. Yes they had success this past season in 4A. Look back at their record just over the past 10 years. They are not a school to use to prove your point. 
 

Other factors include Jtown is a magnet school I believe which does at least give them the possibility to bring in players. I do believe being in 4A is a factor and scheduling overall. 
 

I do believe the coaching staff at Jtown have done an amazing job and deserve a lot of credit/praise.