10 minutes ago, PurplePride92 said:

We’ll just have to agree to disagree.  
 

You think billionaires who lose football games are incompetent at winning but they somehow know how to make a boatload of money.   
 

I think they are simply content with making a profit.  
 

To each his own.  

You brought him up. Jerry Jones is a great example. Great at business and making money. Incompetent at building a great football team.

58 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

You brought him up. Jerry Jones is a great example. Great at business and making money. Incompetent at building a great football team.

Is he incompetent though?  You sure you know exactly what he wants?  You think he is sitting at home upset that his Cowboys aren’t playing on Sunday?  His team gained 500M in worth simply for being a “contender”.  Sure he wants to win but I can’t believe that winning drives him like folks think it does.  It’s still going to be about the money for him.  He wants to win “his way” but that bottom line drives him more than anything else.  

7 hours ago, PurplePride92 said:

The Denver Broncos are valued at 4 Billion dollars and have a total of what……..  two Super Bowl wins since 1995.  Outstanding commitment to winning.  

Since the '97 - '98 season Denver has won 3 Super Bowls.  Only New England has more.  I guess you can argue that Denver is more committed to winning than over 90% of the remaining teams in the league.  

In fact only four other franchises, Pittsburg, Tampa Bay, Baltimore, & the New York Giants have multiple Super Bowl wins over that same period of time.  It's not like it's that simple to go out and buy yourself a Super Bowl.  

 

2 hours ago, PurplePride92 said:

And some teams actually pull it off. Like the Patriots.  I simply don’t believe that the Pats are the only team capable of doing both.  Too many are satisfied with simply making a profit.   I’m supposed to believe the Browns care more about winning than turning a profit?   The Bengals never truly cared about winning.  The Jaguars.  The Jets.  Even the Giants to a certain extent.  Do they want to win?  Sure.  Do they want to make money more than win?  Absolutely.   Do they want to both?  Sure.  But turning a profit is always more important.   

The Patriots are an anomaly due to the fact that (As much as I hate to admit it) they had the greatest player ever in the NFL.  Robert Kraft has owned the team since the '94 - '95 season.  With Tom Brady as his teams starting QB they had a regular season record of 232-72 or 76.3%, made the playoffs 17 of 19 seasons appearing in 9 Super Bowls winning 6 championships.  Without Tom Brady under center, their record is 76-69 or 52.4%, made the playoffs 5 of 9 seasons appearing in 1 Super Bowl without a championship.  Brady far out performed expectations as a sixth round draft pick. It's not like Kraft made some huge move to acquire him based upon his commitment to winning, he just got lucky in my opinion.  

I guess it will take a few more  years to accurately evaluate whether or not Kraft is truly committed to winning or if it was just the Brady factor, but thus far it seems as if his teams performance is trend back towards what it was in the years prior to Brady. 

 

36 minutes ago, Irish Cat said:

Since the '97 - '98 season Denver has won 3 Super Bowls.  Only New England has more.  I guess you can argue that Denver is more committed to winning than over 90% of the remaining teams in the league.  

In fact only four other franchises, Pittsburg, Tampa Bay, Baltimore, & the New York Giants have multiple Super Bowl wins over that same period of time.  It's not like it's that simple to go out and buy yourself a Super Bowl.  

 

Which makes even more sense to buy a team and turn a profit.  Winning be damned.  It’s hard to win but it is easier to make a profit. Thanks for helping me with my point.  I apologize for shorting the Broncos Super Bowl titles.  

22 minutes ago, PurplePride92 said:

Which makes even more sense to buy a team and turn a profit.  Winning be damned.  It’s hard to win but it is easier to make a profit. Thanks for helping me with my point.  I apologize for shorting the Broncos Super Bowl titles.  

Unless I'm mistaken your point was that they don't care about winning.  Just because it's hard to win a Super Bowl doesn't mean that they don't care.  I suppose all owners are making profits, but that's not really a factor as to whether or not they care about winning.  I'm sure they would all just as soon win than lose. 

31 minutes ago, Irish Cat said:

Unless I'm mistaken your point was that they don't care about winning.  Just because it's hard to win a Super Bowl doesn't mean that they don't care.  I suppose all owners are making profits, but that's not really a factor as to whether or not they care about winning.  I'm sure they would all just as soon win than lose. 

My point was that they care about making money way more than they care about winning.  You don’t have to win the Super Bowl to care about winning.    

I think they care about winning in Green Bay but I feel confident that they are more concerned about their profits if Aaron Rodgers leaves than their chances to make the Super Bowl if he leaves.   

I think Jerry Jones cares about winning but the Cowboys losing money would concern him way way more than the Cowboys ineptitude when it comes to winning consistently   

 

The Brian Flores Effect? 
 

 

 

https://twitter.com/hawk/status/1491595300728815619?s=21

 

59 minutes ago, PurplePride92 said:

The Brian Flores Effect? 
 

 

 

https://twitter.com/hawk/status/1491595300728815619?s=21

 

How does it compare to the last couple years?

9 hours ago, PurplePride92 said:

The Brian Flores Effect? 

 

Not saying there hasn't been any impact, but I think a deeper dive would have to be made into each hire to distinguish between causation versus just correlation.  For example, Lovie Smith has already been an NFL head coach (actually, twice).  The same for Texans OC Pep Hamilton, who held the same spot for the Colts a few years ago.  So, it's they're not exactly "new" names, so to speak.

Sashi Brown was hired, I think, just a day or two after the lawsuit was announced...so, I doubt he was suddenly added to the list of potential candidates, interviewed, and then given the job in that short of a time period (especially given the importance of that position).

I think it's good when you see teams promote guys from within.  I think it's even better when a guy takes a step up going from one team to another.  But to say all of that happened because of a lawsuit just a little over a week ago?  Ehhhhh...I'd pump the brakes on making that blanket statement.  But, that's just me.

9 hours ago, Voice of Reason said:

How does it compare to the last couple years?

No clue.  I don’t know how much research Andrew Hawkins did before tweeting it.  I’m guessing it is an improvement but I don’t really know.   

1 hour ago, CincySportsFan said:

Not saying there hasn't been any impact, but I think a deeper dive would have to be made into each hire to distinguish between causation versus just correlation.  For example, Lovie Smith has already been an NFL head coach (actually, twice).  The same for Texans OC Pep Hamilton, who held the same spot for the Colts a few years ago.  So, it's they're not exactly "new" names, so to speak.

Sashi Brown was hired, I think, just a day or two after the lawsuit was announced...so, I doubt he was suddenly added to the list of potential candidates, interviewed, and then given the job in that short of a time period (especially given the importance of that position).

I think it's good when you see teams promote guys from within.  I think it's even better when a guy takes a step up going from one team to another.  But to say all of that happened because of a lawsuit just a little over a week ago?  Ehhhhh...I'd pump the brakes on making that blanket statement.  But, that's just me.

You never know.  It’s always amazing how fast corporations can correct mistakes when called out.  

1 hour ago, PurplePride92 said:

You never know.  It’s always amazing how fast corporations can correct mistakes when called out.  

You're right, we'll never know.  But, just for context...8 of the 18 people he was pointing out, happen to be coordinators/position coaches on teams that are getting new head coaches this year...the Texans, Bears, Raiders, Broncos and Vikings.

There were 7 teams that hired new head coaches last year.  Two of them (Jags and Texans) rehired this year, so it was harder to look up.  But I took the remaining 5, and opened their team pages to see this past year's coaching staff.  Here's how many black coordinators/position coaches they showed...Jets (9), Eagles (6), Chargers (6), Falcons (10), and Lions (9).  That's an average of 8 per team.  

So, to me, nearly half of Hawk's examples can be chalked up to normal occurrences, when there's a head coaching change.  Like I said in my previous post, causation versus correlation.

13 minutes ago, CincySportsFan said:

You're right, we'll never know.  But, just for context...8 of the 18 people he was pointing out, happen to be coordinators/position coaches on teams that are getting new head coaches this year...the Texans, Bears, Raiders, Broncos and Vikings.

There were 7 teams that hired new head coaches last year.  Two of them (Jags and Texans) rehired this year, so it was harder to look up.  But I took the remaining 5, and opened their team pages to see this past year's coaching staff.  Here's how many black coordinators/position coaches they showed...Jets (9), Eagles (6), Chargers (6), Falcons (10), and Lions (9).  That's an average of 8 per team.  

So, to me, nearly half of Hawk's examples can be chalked up to normal occurrences, when there's a head coaching change.  Like I said in my previous post, causation versus correlation.

So nothing is changing then. It’s just smoke and mirrors.  

1 hour ago, PurplePride92 said:

So nothing is changing then. It’s just smoke and mirrors.  

Ehh...again, I don't know.  Was just trying to show that some of those hires that Hawk pointed out would've probably come with or without the Flores lawsuit.

I do think there are hires that should be getting some more pub.  First time head coaches, like Mike McDaniel, should be making a splash.  (Unfortunately in this case, it's replacing another black head coach.)  But, the front office hires should definitely be highlighted.  Having Sashi Brown as team president, Kwesi Adofo-Mensah as GM, and Brandon Brown/Champ Kelly as assistant GM's all named in this cycle is hopefully just a start of something more to come in future years.