You must have missed the Civil Rights movement, the KKK rallys and the premise behind "State's Rights." (So we can keep our slaves as we see fit.)

 

The best-known of all Confederate flags—the battle flag—is often erroneously confused with the national flag of the Confederacy. The battle flag features the cross of St. Andrew (the apostle was martyred by being crucified on an X-shaped cross), and is commonly called the "Southern Cross." A large degree of the Southern population was of Scottish and Scotch-Irish ancestry, and thus familiar with St. Andrew, the patron saint of Scotland. The stars represented the eleven states actually in the Confederacy, plus Kentucky and Missouri.

 

Is the Confederate "Stars and Bars" flag as offensive?

The best-known of all Confederate flags—the battle flag—is often erroneously confused with the national flag of the Confederacy. The battle flag features the cross of St. Andrew (the apostle was martyred by being crucified on an X-shaped cross), and is commonly called the "Southern Cross." A large degree of the Southern population was of Scottish and Scotch-Irish ancestry, and thus familiar with St. Andrew, the patron saint of Scotland. The stars represented the eleven states actually in the Confederacy, plus Kentucky and Missouri.

 

Is the Confederate "Stars and Bars" flag as offensive?

 

 

Your missing the point. The Battle flag has been flown at every KKK demonstration since Reconstruction.

 

The "Stars and Bars" are seldom, if ever displayed, at such events. You might also recall that the Confederates also adopted the Flag with the St Andrews Cross at the top left and white throughout the rest of the field. They then added a Red bar to the far right end of the flag when some suggested it looked like flag of truce or surrender.

 

 

You mention the first reasons for the flag as not racist. It's another thread I know but what was the need for state's to assert their rights? What was the issue that drove them to want to expand slavery in the new territories from 1820 to 1850? What was the issue that frightened them to want to leave the union?

 

Was it stitched with those things in mind? If not up front, it was certainly in the weavings of the background.

Maybe I am confused and need to go back and read my history books, but Kentucky never seceded from the Union, did it? How, then, is the rebel flag part of Kentucky heritage?

Nothing wrong with the Nickname Rebel . It is the despicable symbol of racism the Stars and Bars that has got to go . Even if Allen central students dont equate the flag as a racist symbol plenty of other groups do ,ie the KKK and their ilk and those people dont need another rallying point to aspouse hatred and bigotry . This flag should be as dead and buried as the Nazi swastika for they are one and the same in meaning and intent .

If this were the case I would hope the school officials would notice. I wonder if there is any diversity within the Allen Central High School?

The article in the paper said it is an all white school . Is this correct ?

The article in the paper said it is an all white school . Is this correct ?

 

Where did it say it was all white? I'm pretty sure I read a previous article where non-white kids at the school said it did bother them but had an attitude of "what can you do."

If The David School and its "handlers" were remotely sincere, they would not have scheduled the game in the first place. They are obviously are not sincere but, instead, have an agenda. They seek to force their political philosophy on Allen Central.

 

The sad thing is that, when the national media gets into the matter, Allen Central's administration will cave in and they will become something silly like the Allen Central Rain Forests or possibly the Allen Central Wetlands.

 

So much for the freedoms allegedly guaranteed by the First Amendment. Liberals like Pillersdorf believe in tolerance so long as what is tolerated is what they have previously approved.

 

If any of you believe this is a legitimate matter with TDS, please let me know because I have some stock in a gold mine located in the local landfill that I want to sell you.

Thanks. Falcons offend me.

 

If they use an actual live falcon then it would offend PETA.

 

http://www.peta.org/campaigns/schoolmascot.asp

 

 

I'm with rockmom on this one. Intent is crucial. If the intent is racially motivated then it is taunting and should not be allowed. If they wave the flag at all events regardless of the ethnicity of the opposing players then I don't have a problem with waving the flag.

Intent? How in the world are you going to prove intent? Or, more importantly, how can Allen Central disprove a negative intent? The truth is that AC shouldn't have to prove anything. The sad truth is that AC will, most likely, be hounded until its politically sensitive administration caves in.

 

I am quite familiar with the contents of the United States Constitution particularly in regard to the Bill of Rights and the amendments that followed. If we believe the arguments of those of you who seem determined at all costs to support TDS, please know that there is no constitutional guarantee that one will not, from time to time, be offended. However, as I have stated before, any person who even remotely follows the developments in this politically correct country sees this fiasco for what it is- an attempt by others to impose their philosophy of right and wrong on others.

 

The sad truth is that they will most likely succeed. The framers must wonder what has happened to their document.

In theory intent would be difficult to infer but in practice I believe it would be fairly simple. How long have they been in the practice of waving the flag? Do they wave the flag at all events? Do they wave the flag at events where no African-Americans are on the opposing team? Do they wave the flag with as much energy when an African-America player is taking a foul shot as another player? Is it a regular occurence to hear racial epitaphs coming from the stands when they wave the flag? These are all easily answerable questions by those who attend those sporting events on a regular basis.

I would add that I suspect that what goes on at Allen Central sporting events is acceptable since I highly suspect that if it wasn't this would have been an issue long before now.

Unless I'm wrong, slavery was in this country long before the Confederate flag. I'd say under the Union Jack and the Stars and Stripes.

Allen Central has, from all indications, been the "Rebels" and incorporated as part of its tradition the Confederate flag since its inception. Rather than requiring Allen Central to prove its intent or to justify its practice, I would think that it would be required of TDS to do so. I am rather dismayed that so many of you don't question the motives (and obvious agenda of TDS, Pillersdorf, and their out of area handlers) of TDS.

 

You seem to forget that the Allen Central Rebels have been in existence for a number of years right there in Floyd County with their "neighbor", TDS. TDS goes ahead, fully informed, and schedules a game and makes no issue of their "concern" until now and some of you seem to find no ulterior motive? Come on. This is what the kids call a "no brainer". Nevertheless, look for AC to cave and that will be another chipping away at the First Amendment so "cherished" by liberals like those running this fiasco for TDS. TDS is merely along for the ride because the self-proclaimed guardians of free speech (as long as it is their brand of speech) have taken over.

Intent? How in the world are you going to prove intent? Or, more importantly, how can Allen Central disprove a negative intent? The truth is that AC shouldn't have to prove anything. The sad truth is that AC will, most likely, be hounded until its politically sensitive administration caves in.

I am quite familiar with the contents of the United States Constitution particularly in regard to the Bill of Rights and the amendments that followed. If we believe the arguments of those of you who seem determined at all costs to support TDS, please know that there is no constitutional guarantee that one will not, from time to time, be offended. However, as I have stated before, any person who even remotely follows the developments in this politically correct country sees this fiasco for what it is- an attempt by others to impose their philosophy of right and wrong on others.

 

The sad truth is that they will most likely succeed. The framers must wonder what has happened to their document.

 

Let me start by saying that this post is not meant to be an attack on you. I assume that you are a fine person, debating a political issue. However, you seem to only be focusing on the "poor Allen Central kids" that won't get to fly their Rebel flag. Do you have any sympathy for the kids that the same flag brings negative feelings upon?

 

Keep in mind that many framers of the constitution also "owned" slaves, so if they were alive and well today, they might wonder about that, too.

 

Can anyone justity why a Rebel flag is Kentucky heritage when we never seceded from the Union?

I guess I'll throw my two cents in...

 

IMHO, if those students say they were waving that flag with no racial intent, I say they are lying. Now, Im sure we may not have all the info, but as rockmom asked earlier, do they wave this flag when Caucasian players are shooting foul shots?

 

People can call it their heritage if they want, but from an African-American standpoint, I see it as a negative image. To some people, it represents the South during the Civil War, and not racism. My question is, what was going on in the South during/before the Civil War? :lol: I think it is a very touch subject between African-Americans and SOME Caucasians as to the true meaning of the flag.

 

Pigman nailed it on the head when he mentioned that we have to look at this as a 2006 issue. I think many people in our society are trying to remove such symbols as the Confederate Flag because they know what it implies. The youth today (especially African-American youth) seem to be more and more against symbols and actions of prejudice, as they should be IMO. Things have changed, and some folks need to realize those changes.