1 minute ago, TheDeuce said:

Then we can't complain about continued violence in the same communities. 

Well, I think we should parse the two out.  Law and order should be specifically about law and order and social programs should be separate. 

On tangent, I don't believe this is where we are headed, just the opposite, but I am for hiring the best police officers and seating the best judges and letting them both have a fair amount of discretion.  Again, I don't think we are headed there but I think that is a much better way to do things.

1 minute ago, theguru said:

Well, I think we should parse the two out.  Law and order should be specifically about law and order and social programs should be separate. 

On tangent, I don't believe this is where we are headed, just the opposite, but I am for hiring the best police officers and seating the best judges and letting them both have a fair amount of discretion.  Again, I don't think we are headed there but I think that is a much better way to do things.

They can be separate and they can happen at the same time. 

We can have the best police officers you could possibly think to create and without other changes, in the long run, it's not going to make a difference. 

Police do very little to prevent crime, IMO. 

4 minutes ago, TheDeuce said:

They can be separate and they can happen at the same time. 

We can have the best police officers you could possibly think to create and without other changes, in the long run, it's not going to make a difference. 

Police do very little to prevent crime, IMO. 

Sure on happening at the same time.

On the police, it depends, when things are way bad (like in Louisville and many other big cities) the police are almost totally reactionary and I agree they do little to prevent anything in those situations.  However, when you have control, I think the police officers can make a much bigger impact.  In short, I firmly believe in Broken Window Theory.  From the Great Google Machine:

The broken windows theory states that any visible signs of crime and civil disorder, such as broken windows (hence, the name of the theory) vandalism, loitering, public drinking, jaywalking, and transportation fare evasion, create an urban environment that promotes even more crime and disorder (Wilson & Kelling, 1982).

Just now, theguru said:

Sure on happening at the same time.

On the police, it depends, when things are way bad (like in Louisville and many other big cities) the police are almost totally reactionary and I agree they do little to prevent anything in those situations.  However, when you have control, I think the police officers can make a much bigger impact.  In short, I firmly believe in Broken Window Theory.  From the Great Google Machine:

The broken windows theory states that any visible signs of crime and civil disorder, such as broken windows (hence, the name of the theory) vandalism, loitering, public drinking, jaywalking, and transportation fare evasion, create an urban environment that promotes even more crime and disorder (Wilson & Kelling, 1982).

I can see the logic in that theory, but to me it seems like a band aid on a broken leg. 

Just now, TheDeuce said:

I can see the logic in that theory, but to me it seems like a band aid on a broken leg. 

When a city is out of control I agree but you have to start somewhere and if the Police were given the authority/blessing in Louisville to actively pursue every crime (plus a lot more police officers) after a few years I believe you would see a huge change for the better.  What we do know is what we are doing now is not working. 

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3 minutes ago, theguru said:

When a city is out of control I agree but you have to start somewhere and if the Police were given the authority/blessing in Louisville to actively pursue every crime (plus a lot more police officers) after a few years I believe you would see a huge change for the better.  What we do know is what we are doing now is not working. 

Agreed.

20 hours ago, Voice of Reason said:

 Cincinnati police chief made a public statement recently urging parents to get their kids under control. He lamented the number of shootings among teenagers and the number of guns including AK47s that teens have easy access to today.

The news has been full of shootings in Cincinnati. It’s an every day occurrence at this point.  Unfortunately it doesn’t stop there and NKY is beginning to experience more of it but the media hasn’t kept up with it as much. 

17 minutes ago, sportsfan41 said:

The news has been full of shootings in Cincinnati. It’s an every day occurrence at this point.  Unfortunately it doesn’t stop there and NKY is beginning to experience more of it but the media hasn’t kept up with it as much. 

Right, I have definitely noticed it leaching into NKY.  

After awhile predators need to find new territory so it makes perfect sense to me. 

19 hours ago, John Anthony said:

If they know where the problem is specifically located, why can’t it be fixed?

I would say there are several reasons. 

Police numbers are way down from record police resignations and early retirements in the past year for a police department that was already too small when compared to cities similar size to Louisville.  The view of many LMPD officers is that they are past not being appreciated by Louisville citizenry and leadership and are being outright villified.

In the 5 to 10 neighbors I mentioned, the "No Snitch!!!" mentality is very strong so gangs feel they can kill with impunity.  Untill that mentality changes, the bodies will keep piling up.

Geographically, Louisville is in the perfect location to be a major hub or crossroads in the drug trade.  That means alot of cartel members are passing through and each are fighting to increase their turf and they tend to operate in these mentioned neighborhoods.

19 hours ago, John Anthony said:

Is Louisville suffering from a police shortage like most major cities?

A terrible shortage.  Some nights, the backlog of issues police need to address gets scary long.

19 hours ago, ChickenWyngz said:

I've always heard that it is easier to keep the bad eggs together in certain areas rather than fixing one area and scattering them about town. I have no idea how true that is, but I wonder your question all the time. 

There are many in Louisville who hold your same opinion.  Back before the 90s, a large percentage of subsidized housing was concentrated in a few areas.  Police would concentrate patrols in those areas and do a decent job of keeping order in them.  In the 90s it was decided if subsidized housing was more dispersed throughout the city, those in subsidized housing would integrate in those neighborhoods and commit less crime.  It sounded like a reasonable idea I guess but instead it created numerous "hot spots" instead of just a few and police are spread so thin trying to patrol all of them.

17 hours ago, John Anthony said:

The city officials need to do more to secure/protect the are and create more opportunities, so less crime exist.  If the same issue is going on for decades in the exact same areas, maybe change is in order?

I believe there should have been a large investment in police to pay for more/better training, more officers and "better" officers to stop the hiring of the bad apples we have due to the poor pay of LMPD.  Instead, most think the answer was to defund, I think defund is an incredibly stupid idea

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4 hours ago, Bert said:

I believe there should have been a large investment in police to pay for more/better training, more officers and "better" officers to stop the hiring of the bad apples we have due to the poor pay of LMPD.  Instead, most think the answer was to defund, I think defund is an incredibly stupid idea

Sounds like a very bad situation.  I don’t know if it can be reversed.  My buddy is trying to fill 3 spots in rural northern KY,   where they rarely have a violent incident.  I can’t imagine what the city departments are facing.  I guess the details are what created this topic.