4 minutes ago, SnottieDrippen said:

Depends on how you define strategy I suppose. Running 1:30 off the clock with a motion offense is strategy, but putting together three straight 0:15 possessions resulting in points on three different quick-hitters isn't?

Seems to me that in theory, coaches would have to expand their playbook(which I'm not certain is a good thing).

Also... the two-for-one is far more strategic, and requires a higher level of understanding by the players than an offense/defense sub late in the 4th IMO.

 

Agreed on all points. 

Do any states have a shot clock and/or have any states gone on the record saying they are going to add a shot clock for high school basketball?

1 minute ago, theguru said:

Do any states have a shot clock and/or have any states gone on the record saying they are going to add a shot clock for high school basketball?

"California, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, North Dakota, Rhode Island, South Dakota and Washington are states that currently utilize a shot clock. Georgia voted last June to add a shot clock for the 2022-23 season."

34 minutes ago, TheDeuce said:

Are there shot clocks in every level beyond high school?

Yup.  Exactly my point.  BEYOND High School where the skill level and understanding of the game is much higher.  

10 minutes ago, bulldog77 said:

Yup.  Exactly my point.  BEYOND High School where the skill level and understanding of the game is much higher.  

The skill level in high school in relation to the shot clock is where it is because they aren't being coached towards a shot clock. Do you believe high school students are incapable of adapting to a shot clock?

44 minutes ago, TheDeuce said:

"California, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, North Dakota, Rhode Island, South Dakota and Washington are states that currently utilize a shot clock. Georgia voted last June to add a shot clock for the 2022-23 season."

 What is the time on the shot clock in these states?

 Personally, I like the shot clock but I want it to be a longer shot clock for high school, perhaps even as long as one minute. The goal is to prevent stall ball.

2 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

 What is the time on the shot clock in these states?

 Personally, I like the shot clock but I want it to be a longer shot clock for high school, perhaps even as long as one minute. The goal is to prevent stall ball.

Doing a quick Google search, looks like they are all either 30 or 35 seconds. 

 

2 minutes ago, TheDeuce said:

The skill level in high school in relation to the shot clock is where it is because they aren't being coached towards a shot clock. Do you believe high school students are incapable of adapting to a shot clock?

Teams that could adapt to a shot clock day 1...are already shooting it quickly right now, because a.) they can (no rule saying you have to pass it 5 times, or use 30 seconds), and b.) because they've got the shooters that can make those shots (even with guys in their face).

The teams that would struggle, are the teams that don't have those shooters and need to get a more open shot.  How are they supposed to adapt?  It's easy to say teams should just shoot better.

I look at the shot clock the same way I would if they came out and said you had to always play straight up man-to-man defense like the NBA.  No box-and-ones, no triangle-and-two's, no 3-2, no 2-3, no zone whatsoever.  There are teams that could do it, and teams that couldn't.  Or let me re-phrase...teams that wouldn't fare as well because they're being forced to do something that doesn't suit their team makeup.

5 minutes ago, CincySportsFan said:

Or let me re-phrase...teams that wouldn't fare as well because they're being forced to do something that doesn't suit their team makeup.

How is that different than a uptempo team being forced to slow down because a team is playing stall ball?

As usual, this discussion is a matter of preference. I like fast-paced up and down basketball games, not watching teams dribble the air out of the ball to try to limit possessions. 

The only credible obstacle, in my opinion, would be funding the purchase of shot clocks for every school. Many districts simply won't have the extra money for it. If that could be solved, any other issues are minor in comparison.

2 minutes ago, TheDeuce said:

How is that different than a uptempo team being forced to slow down because a team is playing stall ball?

An up-tempo team can still run up-tempo.  Nothing says they can't.  Obviously that's on offense.  Now on defense...if you're saying they can't play defense against a stall-ball team...then what we're really saying is we want to bail out teams that can't play defense for more than 30-35 seconds.

1 minute ago, CincySportsFan said:

...then what we're really saying is we want to bail out teams that can't play defense for more than 30-35 seconds.

Or on the flip side, we want to bail out teams who can't manufacture a good look at a shot for 60 seconds.

19 minutes ago, TheDeuce said:

Doing a quick Google search, looks like they are all either 30 or 35 seconds. 

 

Too short for high school. I would be opposed to anything less than 40 seconds in high school.

Is there any info on what the average possession is in KY high school ball?  Interested to see those numbers.

Up-tempo/stall ball is a matter of preference and make up of the team's ability. 

Regardless, I think kids/coaches would adapt towards a shot clock if it was implemented. 

Just now, FB Head said:

Is there any info on what the average possession is in KY high school ball?  Interested to see those numbers.

Up-tempo/stall ball is a matter of preference and make up of the team's ability. 

Regardless, I think kids/coaches would adapt towards a shot clock if it was implemented. 

If you mean would kids be willing to jack up a shot, heck yeah.  Doesn't mean the quality of the game would be better.