December 10, 200619 yr Because they got caught cheating, it is OK? Right...and not every program cheats...make sure you are clear of that. Not every program gets caught. I should clear this up a bit. It's not always the program itself. It can be in the form of an aver zealous booster, or just in general community actions. I was a decent athlete in HS. I couldn't go anywhere in the county w/o getting free stuff. If it wasn't food, it was movie tickets. If not movie tickets, it was clothing from nice retailers. If this stuff happened to me in HS, I have to believe it happens to these guys, as well. Only on a much larger scale.
December 10, 200619 yr Not always...I promise...the NCAA is much closer to these kids now, than in the older days.
December 10, 200619 yr As I stated earlier in this thread, Troy Smith was very deserving of the Heisman. For anyone to be so naive as to think that there is a major program in the country that doesn't give their scholarship athletes some type of gratuitous reward (that's basketball also, not just football) is living w/ their head in the sand. The fact that OSU caught the incident, OSU reported the incident, and Troy Smith has learned from his mistakes speaks volumes, not only for Smith, but the entire Buckeye football program. Troy Smith is a quality young man. He won this award on the field. He will add a ring to his finger on Jan 8th. He will go high in the draft. Get over it. I said that I wasn't posting anymore on this thread but I just had to give you a big :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: ..............By far THE best post of this thread.
December 10, 200619 yr Not always...I promise...the NCAA is much closer to these kids now, than in the older days. This may be true, but I still think Smith paid for his mistakes and deserved the Heisman this year. Had he gotten in trouble this year, or even last season, I wouldn't think so.
December 10, 200619 yr UC basketball player out for a year for playing on a team that paid the player/coach. Smith gets paid, he misses a game. Sounds fair...
December 10, 200619 yr You're right....a tremendously rough punishment.... Cry to the NCAA about it. They seemed to think it was a fair punishment. I'm sure they had a precedent to help them make the ruling on Smith. I realize you're upset that your Golden Boy Brady didn't win, but he didn't play well enough in the big games that he needed to.
December 10, 200619 yr I did not want Brady to win...I think it would have diminished the Trophy...Smith would've been ideal, if not for the cheating.... McFadden is who I really wanted to win.
December 10, 200619 yr This may be true, but I still think Smith paid for his mistakes and deserved the Heisman this year. Had he gotten in trouble this year, or even last season, I wouldn't think so. :thumb: Well said Royal Uncle. Are you as glad as I to know that there are some on here that are perfect and have never made a mistake?.
December 10, 200619 yr :thumb: Well said Royal Uncle. Are you as glad as I to know that there are some on here that are perfect and have never made a mistake?. We all make mistakes, but think about the hundreds of high school kids that were watching the Heisman presentation last night. They saw a player that had taken illegal money early in his career but by the end of his time he was awarded the most prestigous award in college football. Sure Troy Smith may have learned from him mistakes, but it showed all other high school seniors that are going to a major program that they can do the same thing, and get away with it. So maybe that is what you should think of, not that Smith learned from his mistakes, but all the kids that have nothing to learn from his mistake!
December 10, 200619 yr We all make mistakes, but think about the hundreds of high school kids that were watching the Heisman presentation last night. They saw a player that had taken illegal money early in his career but by the end of his time he was awarded the most prestigous award in college football. Sure Troy Smith may have learned from him mistakes, but it showed all other high school seniors that are going to a major program that they can do the same thing, and get away with it. So maybe that is what you should think of, not that Smith learned from his mistakes, but all the kids that have nothing to learn from his mistake! Spin it any way that you wish so that it can fit your agenda. Everyone in their right mind knows that people make mistakes., you, I or anyone is capable of making a wrong decision. I sure am glad someone cared enough to let me correct them.The learning part happens only after you have enough guts to stand up and accept the fact that you did wrong and moving on with your life in a positive manner and never making that same mistake again. This is what Troy Smith has done. I applaud him for being a man and accepting responsibility. If a kid somewhere in the world that is in trouble from a bad decision he made and watched the Heisman Trophy Award speech by Troy Smith, I guarantee it gave him hope for a better future and taught him what hard work and dedication to doing the right things can help you achieve. Congratulations to Troy Smith on being a real man and accepting responsibility for his actions and turning something negative into a positive.
December 10, 200619 yr Well if you look at OSU now will have two guys now that received money or other things while leading O$U to National Championships. First Maurice Clarett, and now Smith when they most likely win the championship again. While Jim Tressal still looks like he never does anything wrong at O$U... For the record I do believe Troy Smith deserved the award and should have got it...
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