Coronavirus Quarantine vs. Influenza Quarantine

[theguru]

So you don't think we should shut anything down?

 

I think in the land of the free it should be a choice for everyone.

 

I think the most at risk among us need to self quarantine.

[theguru]

Why Experts Are Urging Social Distancing to Combat Coronavirus Outbreak | UC San Francisco

 

So one of the things noted here is that the current average rate of reproduction (i.e. how many people a sick patient infects) is 3.3 whereas seasonal flu is 1.3. This is one of the biggest reasons until we are more familiar with treatments and the most accurate rate of reproduction.

 

Furthermore there are effective treatments for the flu currently and even though tamiflu is borderline worthless it does have some level of efficacy if administered early enough int he run of the disease. Covid-19 does not have anything analogous currently.

 

Your point is not completely fallacious, however there are details that you are hand waving based solely on death toll. By that logic we should quarantine fast food given the rate of death from heart disease in the US.

 

If we had a flu epidemic spread at a rate like Covid-19 in the US then I would suspect that similar actions would be warranted.

 

Using that logic we probably should quarantine cell phones in cars while we are at it:

 

https://bluegrasspreps.com/controversial-issues/should-teenagers-be-363355.html

[TheDeuce]

I think in the land of the free it should be a choice for everyone.

 

I think the most at risk among us need to self quarantine.

 

You're free to do what you want, you're not free from consequence.

[theguru]

You're free to do what you want, you're not free from consequence.

 

I don't think bar owners are free to make a living right now.

[PepRock01]

Using that logic we probably should quarantine cell phones in cars while we are at it:

 

https://bluegrasspreps.com/controversial-issues/should-teenagers-be-363355.html

 

 

That is a valid point and one of the reasons why many states have laws on the books regarding cell phone usage in cars.

[TheDeuce]

I don't think bar owners are free to make a living right now.

 

Sure they are. Just not in a crowded bar.

[theguru]

Sure they are. Just not in a crowded bar.

 

Right, everything they worked and fought for have been taken from them just like that.

[sweet16]

For the ones that keep saying the numbers are low must not have studied or remembered studying exponential growth in school. Of course the numbers are low right now it is a new thread of the corona virus. It just started but if you don't do something to stunt the passing of the virus we will be in a huge J shaped graph of outbreaks that our hospitals will not be able to handle.

 

We want "logistic" growth not "exponential".

[4 Quarters]

I don't think bar owners are free to make a living right now.

 

Look at it this way, it will give law enforcement less time to chase DWI's and more time to spend on crime.

[TheDeuce]

Right, everything they worked and fought for have been taken from them just like that.

 

Taken from them is hyperbole. They are being asked to make sacrifices, like the rest of us, in the name of public health.

 

If you knew a restaurant was practicing unsafe habits and giving people food poisoning, would you think they should stay open?

[JDEaston]

I don't think bar owners are free to make a living right now.

 

I believe @TheDeuce said they would be offering drive thru services.

[Voice of Reason]

But roughly speaking the vaccine for the flu is only about 50% effective and when we add the number of deaths from the flu to essentially a "jump ball" vaccine I don't follow that logic.

 

Here are the numbers that should cause you to rethink overreaction. COVID-19 is 3 times more contagious than the flu and at least 6 times more deadly. If the same number of people got COVID-19 as got the flu, the conservative estimated result would be about 200,000 deaths. But 3 times as many people would get infected so now we are looking at over 600,000 deaths. Those are the very conservative estimates. Italy is currently higher at about an 8% death rate.

[TheDeuce]

I believe @TheDeuce said they would be offering drive thru services.

 

I know what you're referencing (:lol2:) but honestly it brings an idea to light.

 

Sell bottles of liquor instead of drinks.

[theguru]

I believe @TheDeuce said they would be offering drive thru services.

 

Tons of bars I go to do not serve food.

[JDEaston]

Tons of bars I go to do not serve food.

 

Oh I know, I was just trying to add a little humor to the situation from Deuce's comment from yesterday.