Vaught Strikes Again

[All Tell]

Define open enrollment and would this be in addition to divisions that are based on the size of the school?

 

Jefferson County schools (except for 3) have a resides district where students are assigned to a school if they are not enrolled at another school that they choose. If a school in Jeff. County has no one from outside their resides district in ther school are they still an open enrollment school?

 

As I recall you have said that your school will allow students from outside your district but as far as you know no one takes advantage of this. Does that mean you school has open enrollment and would be in that classification? If not what happens if someone from a neighboring county decide to attend your school. Do they then change classification based on that one student?

 

The big difference between this and NCAA DI and DIII is that the NCAA divisions are completely voluntary and a matter of choice by each school. It has absolutely nothing to do with the size of the school or their enrollment pattern. There are some very small DI schools and there are some very large DIII schools.

 

Unfortunalely for every logical sounding solution there are possible pit falls and I still maintain that there is no way to be absolutely equtible if more then one school is involved.

[ladiesbballcoach]

Define open enrollment and would this be in addition to divisions that are based on the size of the school?

 

Simple non-legal definition, (lawyers would need to be involved to make it more difficult to understand yet hold up in a court of law.

 

They accept students from outside of their designated area of students with exceptions being employees of the district's children.

 

Being basically, the area that the school is expected to be serving. For example, anybody outside of Harrison County who was attending Harrison County and in which their parents did not work for the district.

 

Schools would define themselves by their CHOICE as either open or closed enrollment.

[All Tell]

So then with the LBBC plan the schools within Jefferson County that enroll only (they say) students from Jefferson County would NOT be in the open enrollment classification because they are only enrolling students from "their designated area" even though one of their big drawing point IS open enrollment?

 

Also remember that at least for the Catholic schools, the Archdiocese of Louisville goes from the Ohio River to the Tennesse Border as well as east and west to near Owensboro and Lexington. That being said I can assume that any Catholic School that only takes students from within their Archdiocese would be considered "closed enrollment" since they are serving only students from within their designated area.

 

If all this is true what has changed?

[94 Camel]

So then with the LBBC plan the schools within Jefferson County that enroll only (they say) students from Jefferson County would NOT be in the open enrollment classification because they are only enrolling students from "their designated area" even though one of their big drawing point IS open enrollment?

 

Also remember that at least for the Catholic schools, the Archdiocese of Louisville goes from the Ohio River to the Tennesse Border as well as east and west to near Owensboro and Lexington. That being said I can assume that any Catholic School that only takes students from within their Archdiocese would be considered "closed enrollment" since they are serving only students from within their designated area.

 

If all this is true what has changed?

Staying on their side of the river would slightly shrink their enrollment.

[All Tell]

Staying on their side of the river would slightly shrink their enrollment.

By a few but not by the huge numbers that some think. To be perfeclty honest if it would make all of this stupidity go away I would be in favor of ruling that students from outside KY couldn't play sports (as long as it applied to public schools as well).

[ladiesbballcoach]

So then with the LBBC plan the schools within Jefferson County that enroll only (they say) students from Jefferson County would NOT be in the open enrollment classification because they are only enrolling students from "their designated area" even though one of their big drawing point IS open enrollment?

 

Also remember that at least for the Catholic schools, the Archdiocese of Louisville goes from the Ohio River to the Tennesse Border as well as east and west to near Owensboro and Lexington. That being said I can assume that any Catholic School that only takes students from within their Archdiocese would be considered "closed enrollment" since they are serving only students from within their designated area.

 

If all this is true what has changed?

No sir, I said neighborhoods. Butler would have a general area they serve and any students outside that area would classify them as open enrollment.

[94 Camel]

By a few but not by the huge numbers that some think. To be perfeclty honest if it would make all of this stupidity go away I would be in favor of ruling that students from outside KY couldn't play sports (as long as it applied to public schools as well).

I agree. Boundaries should be set that EVERY school has to follow.

[Covercorner]

I agree. Boundaries should be set that EVERY school has to follow.

But those boundaries could never be equal in the state of KY. If it is a 20 square mile radius, do you think that schools in Louisville, Lexington, or NKY still wouldn't have some of the same advantages over shools in other parts of the state?

[94 Camel]

But those boundaries could never be equal in the state of KY. If it is a 20 square mile radius, do you think that schools in Louisville, Lexington, or NKY still wouldn't have some of the same advantages over shools in other parts of the state?

When I say boundaries, I am not talking about a land mass. Eliminate out of state players, tuition for public students, and out of county players for private schools. This would all bring about some equality. We all act like no one recruits, but right now we have rule enforced state sponsored recruiting. Whether its verbal, or a program recruits itself, the results are the same. Some schools have students playing for them that live in several areas, both private and public.

[ladiesbballcoach]

When I say boundaries, I am not talking about a land mass. Eliminate out of state players, tuition for public students, and out of county players for private schools. This would all bring about some equality. We all act like no one recruits, but right now we have rule enforced state sponsored recruiting. Whether its verbal, or a program recruits itself, the results are the same. Some schools have students playing for them that live in several areas, both private and public.

Not sure that is fair. The role of a private school is to pass on it's particular faith in the form of an education. The students shouldn't be penalized and prevented from playing athletics because the county they live in doesn't offer a school in that faith.

 

Now, the answers to similar questions aimed at public schools by private supporters have been to tell the parents to move. I would not hold that view for public or private.

 

That is why I believe that if a school wants to accept students from outside of their area, that is fine and dandy but here is a division for those schools to compete against like schools.

 

But on the same hand, those public/private schools that want to stick to their primary mission and serve those in their neighborhood, should be able to compete against like schools.

[Trinity alum]

I can't understand why anyone would wish to discourage families from seeking the best academic setting for their children. Why are some schools afraid to compete for students?

[HDE]

I can't understand why anyone would wish to discourage families from seeking the best academic setting for their children. Why are some schools afraid to compete for students?

 

 

That's easy to say at places like Trinity, which can look down on the schools with 80 percent of the kids living in poverty and wonder why they don't want to compete.

[Trinity alum]

That's easy to say at places like Trinity, which can look down on the schools with 80 percent of the kids living in poverty and wonder why they don't want to compete.

No one is looking down on anyone. But I don't think that the solution to improving schools is to guarantee each school a supply of kids whether they do a good job or not.

[94 Camel]

I can't understand why anyone would wish to discourage families from seeking the best academic setting for their children. Why are some schools afraid to compete for students?

I don't think that a private school should be able to give ANY scholarships. Are you really telling me that scholarships are given on an academic basis? That is not competing. That is telling a child's family that you can go to a school that has the best facilities money can buy for free. Of course they are going to go. This is not college. It isn't about who can go into a familie's home and put up the best sale to obtain their student athletes.

[SilverShadow]

So then with the LBBC plan the schools within Jefferson County that enroll only (they say) students from Jefferson County would NOT be in the open enrollment classification because they are only enrolling students from "their designated area" even though one of their big drawing point IS open enrollment?

 

Also remember that at least for the Catholic schools, the Archdiocese of Louisville goes from the Ohio River to the Tennesse Border as well as east and west to near Owensboro and Lexington. That being said I can assume that any Catholic School that only takes students from within their Archdiocese would be considered "closed enrollment" since they are serving only students from within their designated area.

 

If all this is true what has changed?

 

It is great to hear there are no out of state student/athletes at any of the schools being discussed!