October 31, 200619 yr I would not call him a choker at this point. I think it is way too early to say that IMO. Really, this is his ninth season, and he's 3-6 in playoff games, more often than not with the favorite team. Surely he's had plenty of opportunities. But keep on giving him a free pass, and I will continue to laugh when the TV cameras show that inevitable sideline shot of Peyton with the "what happened?" look on his face as he's losing yet again to a team he's not supposed to lose to. Again: great regular season quarterback who is incapable of elevating his game when it matters most. That, to me, screams "choker."
October 31, 200619 yr The D is better this season....... How is the D better this season??? Teams are absolutely running wild against them this year, and if that keeps happening then during the playoffs they will be knocked out before the super bowl once again...
October 31, 200619 yr The D is better this season....... That's debatable, at best. I would say it's worse...Corey Simon is done for the year. Their defense is rated 20th overall and dead last against the run. Last year they were 3rd overall and 16th against the run. I know stats never tell the whole story, but when you're dead last against the run, it tells a lot of it. The Colts won't win the Super Bowl. I don't care if they go 16-0 during the regular season. And, I'd say there is a good chance that these few years (this one and the previous two) could be the best supporting casts Peyton will have during his career. I've seen nothing to make me think he will win a Super Bowl. He's had some very good teams and hasn't even sniffed one yet. Again, Peyton Manning isn't the best ever. He's not even the best right now. Tom Brady is.
October 31, 200619 yr I think you have to at least consider Super Bowl wins when you are talking about quarterbacks. Its not a big issue for defensive tackles or tight ends, but it has to be considered for QBs. Right now, how is Manning much different from Dan Marino? And nobody would say Marino was the best ever.
October 31, 200619 yr Best ever? He isn't even the best current QB in the NFL. I'll take Tom Brady over Peyton Manning any day of the week, but especially on Sundays. And especially in January, when it matters most! :thumb:
November 1, 200619 yr The D is better this season....... ok...I admit...I was wrong...wayyyyyyyyyyy wrong. The Colts D did allow the second-fewest points in the league in 2005, giving up just 15.4 per game. They did lose David Thornton, LB & Larry Tripplett, DT in the offseason. Last season they had a total of 1154 defensive tackles. (760 solo - 394 asst) Last season they had a total of 214 special team tackles. (162 solo - 52 asst) Last season they had a total of 46 sacks. (R.Mathis 11.5 - D.Freeney 11) rest of team had 23.5 Last season they had 18 Interceptions. (Leader - C. June - 5) Last season they had 28 Forced Fumbles -- They recovered 13 of them So far this season... Defense 536 Tackles (341 solo - 195 asst) 94 speacial team tackles (69 solo - 25 asst) 11 total sacks (R Mathis - 4.5) 5 Int (M Doss - 2) 6 forced fumbles - 6 recovered fumbles Offense Receiving M Harrison - 44 catches - 553 yards - 12.6 avg - 3 td R Wayne - 38 catches - 642 yards - 16.9 avg - 5 td D Clark - 19 catches - 233 yards - 12.3 avg - 3 td Passing Manning - 163 of 245 - 66.5% - 1965 yds - 280.7 per game - 8.0 per attempt - 15 td - 2 int - 108.0 rating Team 15 receiving TD 7 rushing TD
November 2, 200619 yr Really, this is his ninth season, and he's 3-6 in playoff games, more often than not with the favorite team. Surely he's had plenty of opportunities. But keep on giving him a free pass, and I will continue to laugh when the TV cameras show that inevitable sideline shot of Peyton with the "what happened?" look on his face as he's losing yet again to a team he's not supposed to lose to. Again: great regular season quarterback who is incapable of elevating his game when it matters most. That, to me, screams "choker." What you fail to understand is that a QB cant perform that well if he doesnt have time or is not protected. More than anything the Colts get matched up on a team with a great defense and all of a sudden Manning doesnt have time to do what he is capable of doing. Hes only on the field 1/2 the time and when he is on the field he is also dependent on the rest of the offense the same as they are dependent on him.
November 2, 200619 yr What you fail to understand is that a QB cant perform that well if he doesnt have time or is not protected. More than anything the Colts get matched up on a team with a great defense and all of a sudden Manning doesnt have time to do what he is capable of doing. Hes only on the field 1/2 the time and when he is on the field he is also dependent on the rest of the offense the same as they are dependent on him. Don't be so condescending; I know exactly how it works. The fact still remains that Peyton — and his offensive line, if that makes you feel better — is incapable of elevating their game when it matters the most. He's the QB, he's the lightning rod. They crushed the Steelers in the regular season last year, and turned around and all but got crushed by the Steelers in the playoffs, crazy comeback aside. The two teams' personnel didn't change in those six weeks between the two games. So what happened?
November 2, 200619 yr Don't be so condescending; I know exactly how it works. The fact still remains that Peyton — and his offensive line, if that makes you feel better — is incapable of elevating their game when it matters the most. He's the QB, he's the lightning rod. They crushed the Steelers in the regular season last year, and turned around and all but got crushed by the Steelers in the playoffs, crazy comeback aside. The two teams' personnel didn't change in those six weeks between the two games. So what happened? Steelers were a shoe string tackle from losing that game. But I see see the overall point.
November 2, 200619 yr Don't be so condescending; I know exactly how it works. The fact still remains that Peyton — and his offensive line, if that makes you feel better — is incapable of elevating their game when it matters the most. He's the QB, he's the lightning rod. They crushed the Steelers in the regular season last year, and turned around and all but got crushed by the Steelers in the playoffs, crazy comeback aside. The two teams' personnel didn't change in those six weeks between the two games. So what happened? Its easy to twist things around to make your argument sound better. The fact is Manning got his offense in position to win the game and Vanderjact choked. I believe that if Manning has time to make the plays then the outcome is going to be different. Using your argument, are you saying that every great professional athlete that did not win a championship are all chokers.
November 2, 200619 yr Its easy to twist things around to make your argument sound better. The fact is Manning got his offense in position to win the game and Vanderjact choked. I believe that if Manning has time to make the plays then the outcome is going to be different. Using your argument, are you saying that every great professional athlete that did not win a championship are all chokers. No, I'm just saying that Peyton Manning — who is billed by many to be the best QB in the game today, and billed by some to be the best ever — is incapable of elevating his game when it matters most. If he's as great as he's billed to be, he could will his team to wins in the big situations, something truly great QBs like Tom Brady, Joe Montana, Terry Bradshaw, Roger Staubach, Ken Stabler, Bart Starr, John Elway and a host of others were able to do. All Peyton does is lose in the playoffs with favored teams — oftentimes to teams the Colts had just drilled in the same regular season. The only thing he's really shown is that he owns the Broncos, and that's not saying much when they have Jake Plummer — also a well-known choker — at the helm.
November 2, 200619 yr If he's as great as he's billed to be, he could will his team to wins in the big situations, something truly great QBs like Tom Brady, Joe Montana, Terry Bradshaw, Roger Staubach, Ken Stabler, Bart Starr, John Elway and a host of others were able to do. Isn't Brady the guy that has relied on his kicker the most in big game history???
November 2, 200619 yr No, I'm just saying that Peyton Manning — who is billed by many to be the best QB in the game today, and billed by some to be the best ever — is incapable of elevating his game when it matters most. If he's as great as he's billed to be, he could will his team to wins in the big situations, something truly great QBs like Tom Brady, Joe Montana, Terry Bradshaw, Roger Staubach, Ken Stabler, Bart Starr, John Elway and a host of others were able to do. I'd add ole Broadway to that list too...
November 2, 200619 yr Isn't Brady the guy that has relied on his kicker the most in big game history??? He's also the guy who has won the big games. But, if you really think there is something to what you posted, we can get an answer this year, since Peyton has Vinatieri on his team now.
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