The safety aspect of unions is one thing that isn't talked about much. Safety is already a joke in most factories and without unions there would be a lot more workplace deaths.

 

UPS just got nailed for safety violations and some are accusing the Teamsters of being oblivious of them.

If you have no union representation, what happens when your job goes from $25 am hour to $17? Without representation companies can simply cut hourly rates and if you don't like it tough. Someone else can do it. Right to Work is also bad bc like said before, Jon Doe is able to be represented/protected without paying dues (akin to welfare). It is very much internal union busting, and will benefit the higher ups of these companies far more than the average hourly employee. Rates are what they are bc unions have gone to the table and fought for them. Once unions are out the door the hourly rate will decrease while profits increase. Maybe your particular package will remain intact but new hires will get less.

Suits vs. boots. Pretty simple.

Not a genius on the subject of what is going on.

But Matt Bevin has guts to go into the teamsters crowd and talk to them while being booed and heckled the whole time.

I bet most leaders would just go around.

I'm really unclear on this subject but from what I've gathered from this thread there doesn't seem to be many people for this happening. What benefits does "the right to work" bring to the table? OR what perceived benefit is there?

I'm really unclear on this subject but from what I've gathered from this thread there doesn't seem to be many people for this happening. What benefits does "the right to work" bring to the table? OR what perceived benefit is there?

 

Don't know what thread you've been reading. It seems spit between those that are for unions and those that are not or on the fence.

I'd be shocked if the grand claims about this law are actually backed up by verifiable data. Personally, I think they result in some moderate job creation and that those jobs are lower-paying than your standard union job. Not shocking.

 

I knew this was coming and I don't like it but that ship has sailed. The only thing that really bothers me is that the law contains a criminal penalty provision for certain violations. I've never heard of that before in ANY state that has right to work and it seems completely insane to me. No violation of a law like this should carry a criminal penalty, but should result in civil fines only. It says a lot to me about how House Republicans regard their opponents in the labor unions on this matter. It's a precedent I don't like.

I'd be shocked if the grand claims about this law are actually backed up by verifiable data. Personally, I think they result in some moderate job creation and that those jobs are lower-paying than your standard union job. Not shocking.

I knew this was coming and I don't like it but that ship has sailed. The only thing that really bothers me is that the law contains a criminal penalty provision for certain violations. I've never heard of that before in ANY state that has right to work and it seems completely insane to me. No violation of a law like this should carry a criminal penalty, but should result in civil fines only. It says a lot to me about how House Republicans regard their opponents in the labor unions on this matter. It's a precedent I don't like.

 

Agreed. Maybe a few more jobs, in all probability at lower pay.

 

Someone asked a couple of days ago about the impact of RTW in other states, but nobody has tried to answer.

That wasn't hard.

 

“Right-to-Work” States Still Have Lower Wages | Economic Policy Institute

 

in a 2011 EPI paper, Elise Gould and Heidi Shierholz estimate that wages in RTW states are 3.2 percent lower on average than wages in non-RTW states, even after controlling for a full set of worker characteristics and state labor market conditions. Gould and Shierholz (2011) also find that workers in RTW states are less likely to have employer-sponsored health insurance and pension coverage.

 

Our central findings are:

 

• Wages in RTW states are 3.1 percent lower than those in non-RTW states, after controlling for a full complement of individual demographic and socioeconomic factors as well as state macroeconomic indicators. This translates into RTW being associated with $1,558 lower annual wages for a typical full-time, full-year worker.
  
• The relationship between RTW status and wages remains economically and statistically significant under alternative specifications of our econometric model.
  

Those workers that are really that bad end being fired. Every single time.

 

It is a shame that all Unions do not have this standard. If they did, perhaps they would not be viewed in the negative light they create.

That wasn't hard.

 

“Right-to-Work” States Still Have Lower Wages | Economic Policy Institute

 

in a 2011 EPI paper, Elise Gould and Heidi Shierholz estimate that wages in RTW states are 3.2 percent lower on average than wages in non-RTW states, even after controlling for a full set of worker characteristics and state labor market conditions. Gould and Shierholz (2011) also find that workers in RTW states are less likely to have employer-sponsored health insurance and pension coverage.

 

Our central findings are:

 

• Wages in RTW states are 3.1 percent lower than those in non-RTW states, after controlling for a full complement of individual demographic and socioeconomic factors as well as state macroeconomic indicators. This translates into RTW being associated with $1,558 lower annual wages for a typical full-time, full-year worker.
  
• The relationship between RTW status and wages remains economically and statistically significant under alternative specifications of our econometric model.
  

 

I wonder what the worker productivity numbers look like. My bet is that non union shops have better productivity numbers as the workers can be cross trained and can do a number of different jobs on the floor if needed. In many union shops, the union will not allow a worker to do the job of another union worker regardless of need. This practice slows production and results in lower productivity in relation to overall payroll.

I just have one question...what is "right to work"?

I just have one question...what is "right to work"?

 

Right to work legislation allows non union workers the right to do a job at a union shop without having to join the union and pay union dues or follow union mandates. It gives employers more flexibility in their hiring of staff and eliminates a layer of bureaucracy between management and some workers.

That wasn't hard.

 

“Right-to-Work” States Still Have Lower Wages | Economic Policy Institute

 

in a 2011 EPI paper, Elise Gould and Heidi Shierholz estimate that wages in RTW states are 3.2 percent lower on average than wages in non-RTW states, even after controlling for a full set of worker characteristics and state labor market conditions. Gould and Shierholz (2011) also find that workers in RTW states are less likely to have employer-sponsored health insurance and pension coverage.

 

Our central findings are:

 

• Wages in RTW states are 3.1 percent lower than those in non-RTW states, after controlling for a full complement of individual demographic and socioeconomic factors as well as state macroeconomic indicators. This translates into RTW being associated with $1,558 lower annual wages for a typical full-time, full-year worker.
  
• The relationship between RTW status and wages remains economically and statistically significant under alternative specifications of our econometric model.
  

Interesting. So basically $20/hour in non-RTW states would equal $19.36/hour in RTW states. Wonder what average union dues cost? Also I wonder how actual spending power actually compares from RTW states and non RTW states? Meaning, when you figure cost of living...you can't just compare New York to Mississippi and it be apples to apples. $15/hour in MS would probably equal $25/hour in NY. Maybe that's what they mean with with the last paragraph but I'm not smart enough to decipher what they are getting at.

I wonder what the worker productivity numbers look like. My bet is that non union shops have better productivity numbers as the workers can be cross trained and can do a number of different jobs on the floor if needed. In many union shops, the union will not allow a worker to do the job of another union worker regardless of need. This practice slows production and results in lower productivity in relation to overall payroll.

 

1. That is not true.

 

2. Any company can get around that when they create a job and the job responsibilities. When the company creates a job they do not have to consult the union on the responsibilities of that job.