In recent times there's somewhat been a notion even through ever tumultuous social strife and disturbing horrific news items that our nation was inching its way however slowly forward to being a more all inclusive accepting nation where the discussion of true justice for all had taken front and center, and most it would seem were buying into it.

 

There's also been obvious resistance to these perceived advancements with an escalated presence of gun happy white and/or Christian types not in approval of the direction they were seeing this country take, and Donald Trump's campaign gave rise to allowing those voices of resistance to be heard either by the rhetoric he was espousing, or by selecting a running mate to fill in the gaps in areas that he remained quiet about, allowing the perception to be that the extreme Christian right had also been given a voice.

 

Though I'm not convinced that he is truly concerned about his electorate and their concerns, and had simply used them as a means to accomplish winning the presidency to fulfill his own ego, I fear that his winning because of them has given them a sense that it's alright that they visibly and vocally take steps backward in the areas of social injustices, while giving back to them that sense of entitlement that they falsely believe should've been theirs in the first place.

 

Whereas the voice of diversity was beginning to make great strides and was finally being heard, there's a sense now that it has been abruptly told that the party's over, leave the country, you don't matter, get back in the closet or consider conversion therapy, and to just shut the hell up and deal with it.

 

Not exactly where half of the people in this country were hoping that things would socially go.

 

Those evil white christians who believe in the 2nd ammendment are the biggest threat to our country? Are you being serious ?

I don't have a lot of time this morning, getting ready to leave for work. Yep, I'm a working Liberal!

 

I am afraid that his foreign policy ideas are going to get us into hot water. That is a huge worry to me. Not only do I disagree with him on virtually every position he's alluded to, but his penchant to fly off at the mouth..:eek:

 

Domestically, I have deep concerns over policy he indicates will negatively impact the poor and minority segments.

 

His minions scare me.

I'm concerned about the rise in visibility of those folks who aren't as open minded to a fair and equal society, although my guess is that group will fade and go back under the rocks they've been living under.

 

I'm not really all that concerned. Trump has already backed down from some of his "promises" and I expect him to be much more moderate than what his supporters would like. The swamp isn't getting drained, no wall is being built, and HRC ain't going to jail. His foreign policy concerns me, but I also expect him to back off much of that talk as well. In the end, my guess is his supporters will be more upset with Trumps presidency than I will.

Those evil white christians who believe in the 2nd ammendment are the biggest threat to our country? Are you being serious ?

 

The question was posed and I answered. Whether you want to take seriously what I have said is up to you, but I do speak the legitimate concerns of many of this country's disenfranchised and their sympathizers, and whether or not you care to take notice, I'm speaking for half of this country give or take a few million here and there.

 

Gun enthusiasts and right winged Christians claimed that Jesus and their guns were going to be taken away from them when there were calls for stiffer background checks, and them being denied their religious freedom bills that stood to override separation of church and state so that they could freely discriminate.

 

No on was trying to do away with the 2nd Amendment or religious freedoms, but to ensure better and safer gun laws, and to also prevent a religious stranglehold that would supersede or override people's freedoms.

 

If this is the only thing that you are taking from my post you may have overlooked the bigger point that I was emphasizing regarding social acceptance and the push back that Trump's campaign has given way to that aims to normalize discrimination and bigotry over understanding and acceptance.

 

The hate filled fear mongering campaign was a huge turn off to many while it also fueled mass amounts of its citizens with the green light to act like sophomoric high school bullies while also exposing in broad day light and showing the true colors and complete hypocrisy of normally moral high ground Christians who instantly became forgivers when the character of their hero was right out in the open for the world to see. They demonstrated that they were willing to compromise their core beliefs making it all too obvious that their core beliefs are simply a fake front for what their true objective is.

 

You don't have to agree with what I'm saying, but I'll be damned if anyone tries to prevent me from saying it, and if you're among the camp that just wants us to go away and shut the hell up you help prove the point that I was originally making that the disenfranchised have real worries that they are again trying to be silenced once more.

I'm concerned about the rise in visibility of those folks who aren't as open minded to a fair and equal society, although my guess is that group will fade and go back under the rocks they've been living under.

 

I'm not really all that concerned. Trump has already backed down from some of his "promises" and I expect him to be much more moderate than what his supporters would like. The swamp isn't getting drained, no wall is being built, and HRC ain't going to jail. His foreign policy concerns me, but I also expect him to back off much of that talk as well. In the end, my guess is his supporters will be more upset with Trumps presidency than I will.

 

As has already been mentioned with different phrasing; if this happens I will be pleasantly surprised.

The question was posed and I answered. Whether you want to take seriously what I have said is up to you, but I do speak the legitimate concerns of many of this country's disenfranchised and their sympathizers, and whether or not you care to take notice, I'm speaking for half of this country give or take a few million here and there.

 

Gun enthusiasts and right winged Christians claimed that Jesus and their guns were going to be taken away from them when there were calls for stiffer background checks, and them being denied their religious freedom bills that stood to override separation of church and state so that they could freely discriminate.

 

No on was trying to do away with the 2nd Amendment or religious freedoms, but to ensure better and safer gun laws, and to also prevent a religious stranglehold that would supersede or override people's freedoms.

 

If this is the only thing that you are taking from my post you may have overlooked the bigger point that I was emphasizing regarding social acceptance and the push back that Trump's campaign has given way to that aims to normalize discrimination and bigotry over understanding and acceptance.

 

The hate filled fear mongering campaign was a huge turn off to many while it also fueled mass amounts of its citizens with the green light to act like sophomoric high school bullies while also exposing in broad day light and showing the true colors and complete hypocrisy of normally moral high ground Christians who instantly became forgivers when the character of their hero was right out in the open for the world to see. They demonstrated that they were willing to compromise their core beliefs making it all too obvious that their core beliefs are simply a fake front for what their true objective is.

 

You don't have to agree with what I'm saying, but I'll be damned if anyone tries to prevent me from saying it, and if you're among the camp that just wants us to go away and shut the hell up you help prove the point that I was originally making that the disenfranchised have real worries that they are again trying to be silenced once more.

 

Robert Reich: Donald Trump Is Already Behaving Like a Tyrant | Alternet

In recent times there's somewhat been a notion even through ever tumultuous social strife and disturbing horrific news items that our nation was inching its way however slowly forward to being a more all inclusive accepting nation where the discussion of true justice for all had taken front and center, and most it would seem were buying into it.

 

There's also been obvious resistance to these perceived advancements with an escalated presence of gun happy white and/or Christian types not in approval of the direction they were seeing this country take, and Donald Trump's campaign gave rise to allowing those voices of resistance to be heard either by the rhetoric he was espousing, or by selecting a running mate to fill in the gaps in areas that he remained quiet about, allowing the perception to be that the extreme Christian right had also been given a voice.

 

Though I'm not convinced that he is truly concerned about his electorate and their concerns, and had simply used them as a means to accomplish winning the presidency to fulfill his own ego, I fear that his winning because of them has given them a sense that it's alright that they visibly and vocally take steps backward in the areas of social injustices, while giving back to them that sense of entitlement that they falsely believe should've been theirs in the first place.

 

Whereas the voice of diversity was beginning to make great strides and was finally being heard, there's a sense now that it has been abruptly told that the party's over, leave the country, you don't matter, get back in the closet or consider conversion therapy, and to just shut the hell up and deal with it.

 

Not exactly where half of the people in this country were hoping that things would socially go.

 

Define that.

Define that.

 

I don't know...someone like your pal Kim Davis perhaps?

I don't know...someone like your pal Kim Davis perhaps?

 

There are not a lot like her. She is an exception, but there are a lot who believe like her but will still do their job or service to anyone.

 

I dont think you can make people accept stuff, only educate them to be more tolerant of others views.

 

I dont agree with it, but I also aint going to go out of my way to do what she did either.

 

People have to learn to be tolerant of others views, and that goes BOTH WAYS.

I don't know...someone like your pal Kim Davis perhaps?

 

We are testy this morning I see. I am going to play nice and I am trying to figure this out. What do you mean by that? Any Christian who opposes Homosexuality? Just trying to get my head wrapped around what you mean.

We are testy this morning I see. I am going to play nice and I am trying to figure this out. What do you mean by that? Any Christian who opposes Homosexuality? Just trying to get my head wrapped around what you mean.

 

Christians who stubbornly believe that their rights should override everyone else's

Christians who stubbornly believe that their rights should override everyone else's

 

I think a true Christian can have their beliefs and not agree, but at some point they have to also be a good witness to that person they may not agree with.

 

Hate the sin, not the sinner.

I think a true Christian can have their beliefs and not agree, but at some point they have to also be a good witness to that person they may not agree with.

 

Hate the sin, not the sinner.

 

It's not their place to use their religious beliefs as a determiner for judging other people's lives. They can certainly have their views, but when they try to use those views to dictate then they are overstepping their boundaries.

It's not their place to use their religious beliefs as a determiner for judging other people's lives. They can certainly have their views, but when they try to use those views to dictate then they are overstepping their boundaries.

 

I judge and view everyday, but it doesnt make me try to dictate anyones life. If I were faced with selling a cake to a gay couple, I sell it. If Im faced with giving a marriage permit to a gay couple, I give it.

 

A christian has to be a good witness, and hopefully they will see it my way, if not, then their loss, but I tried.

It's not their place to use their religious beliefs as a determiner for judging other people's lives. They can certainly have their views, but when they try to use those views to dictate then they are overstepping their boundaries.

 

At least we know where you stand, whether you are right or wrong. Thats all I am asking for. I think we all know where everyone stands on this.