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State Championship Games are a Joke

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2. Move it from WKU to Centre college or UK so fans from NKY, Ashland, Pikeville don't have to travel as far.

 

All but 10 games in the last 10 years have had attendance over 5,000. You think Centre is holding that? And have you ever tried to park at Centre?

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^^ What constitutes when a team has to move?

 

When they win a title they have to move up? When they win 4 titles?

 

What happens when that schools enrollment drops and they technically should drop in class?

 

For example... Belfry has a current enrollment in the 600's and is looking more and more like they will drop to 2A enrollment in the next realignment (By example CAL had a significantly higher enrollment than Belfry). If Belfry was moved to 4A should they move back to 3A when their enrollment drops or should they be asked to play two classes up?

 

Why would Johnson Central move up to 5A after winning their first State Title? Wouldn't this mean all 4A teams with a State Title in that current classification would move up such as South Warren?

 

How about Highlands who had previously dominated 4A while playing up and are now 5A... should they be asked to move to 6A based off their past success? Once Bowling Green move sup if Highlands wins the title do they go to 6A and effectively play nearly 3 classes above their enrollment?

 

You have Hazard moving up when they were a State Runner-Up? Do we have to move all Runner-Ups then? Why did CAL not move up but DeSales did? Why didn't NewCath when they have lived in the State Finals for a decade?

 

Sevgeral factors to consider when moving teams. Size should be JUST ONE. Overall record for the past four years should be another. State titles would figure in and so would state title appearances. You cant just classify schools based on the size of each. That is asinine, and exactly why you have the mismatches you have now.

Sevgeral factors to consider when moving teams. Size should be JUST ONE. Overall record for the past four years should be another. State titles would figure in and so would state title appearances. You cant just classify schools based on the size of each. That is asinine, and exactly why you have the mismatches you have now.

 

If you expect this to be something that is actually worth considering though the criteria has to be set.

 

Overall record could be very deceiving. If you are in a crap District and play crap competition but you can't get past the 2nd Round, you shouldn't be moved up. If you are in a powerhouse district and lay all 6A schools and lose 5 games but reach the State Semi's everywhere you shouldn't be staying down instead of the team feasting on a weak schedule.

 

You have mis-matches now because you have six classes and 4 teams getting in from every district, and some Districts that are a lot weaker than others. Ultimately we agree on the easiest way to make the playoffs more competitive, seeding... but the Geography of the State makes that difficult.

 

I still think that if you went to only allowing 3 teams in per District and seeding the Semi-States it would make a massive positive change in competition.

 

If it was up to me:

- Kentucky would have five classes, not six

- Three teams per District would make the playoffs not 4 (this preserves the significance of the regular season and winning your district)

- The Semi State's would be seeded and the Regional Finals and Semi-Finals would be on neutral fields.

- Much like Georgia, if a certain percentage of your school enrollment lives out of District or your School's Geographic footprint, you are required to play up a class.

 

Making these changes alone would solve most of the critiques with the current set-up. First and 2nd Round games would become more competitive, the depth and balance of classes increase, teams who may be the second best team in the State but stuck behind #1 in their District get a fair shot at revenge on a neutral field.

All but 10 games in the last 10 years have had attendance over 5,000. You think Centre is holding that? And have you ever tried to park at Centre?

 

I could have parking at my house and run a paid shuttle service. Hmmm. I'm liking this idea

If you expect this to be something that is actually worth considering though the criteria has to be set.

 

Overall record could be very deceiving. If you are in a crap District and play crap competition but you can't get past the 2nd Round, you shouldn't be moved up. If you are in a powerhouse district and lay all 6A schools and lose 5 games but reach the State Semi's everywhere you shouldn't be staying down instead of the team feasting on a weak schedule.

 

You have mis-matches now because you have six classes and 4 teams getting in from every district, and some Districts that are a lot weaker than others. Ultimately we agree on the easiest way to make the playoffs more competitive, seeding... but the Geography of the State makes that difficult.

 

I still think that if you went to only allowing 3 teams in per District and seeding the Semi-States it would make a massive positive change in competition.

 

If it was up to me:

- Kentucky would have five classes, not six

- Three teams per District would make the playoffs not 4 (this preserves the significance of the regular season and winning your district)

- The Semi State's would be seeded and the Regional Finals and Semi-Finals would be on neutral fields.

- Much like Georgia, if a certain percentage of your school enrollment lives out of District or your School's Geographic footprint, you are required to play up a class.

 

Making these changes alone would solve most of the critiques with the current set-up. First and 2nd Round games would become more competitive, the depth and balance of classes increase, teams who may be the second best team in the State but stuck behind #1 in their District get a fair shot at revenge on a neutral field.

 

This! But I'd settle for 5A rotating like 6A does....why is it that 6A is the only class that rotates?

This! But I'd settle for 5A rotating like 6A does....why is it that 6A is the only class that rotates?

 

It's not anymore.

This! But I'd settle for 5A rotating like 6A does....why is it that 6A is the only class that rotates?

 

5A began that this year.

5A began that this year.

 

Really so for example Christian County would have an opportunity to be matched up against another region and see Bowling Green at sub state or even At state?

Really so for example Christian County would have an opportunity to be matched up against another region and see Bowling Green at sub state or even At state?

 

Tiger,

 

No, I think Harry is talking about cross-bracketing. In the current cross-bracketing for 5A, districts 1 and 2 and districts 7 and 8 do not cross. But Districts 3, 4, 5 and 6 starting this year thru 2018 will be mixed. So teams in districts 3 thru 6 for the next couple of years will end up on both sides of the bracket.

 

But to answer your Christian County question, no they are saddled where they are because they are in District 1 that is married to District 2 (BG district).

Tiger,

 

No, I think Harry is talking about cross-bracketing. In the current cross-bracketing for 5A, districts 1 and 2 and districts 7 and 8 do not cross. But Districts 3, 4, 5 and 6 starting this year thru 2018 will be mixed. So teams in districts 3 thru 6 for the next couple of years will end up on both sides of the bracket.

 

But to answer your Christian County question, no they are saddled where they are because they are in District 1 that is married to District 2 (BG district).

 

See I don't understand this...How is it Trinity and St. X (whom are less than 10 miles apart) can meet in sub state?

Also why is just districts 3,4,5,and 6? And don't sell me the spill about travel because had not Fern creek beat Cov Cath BG would traveled right past oldam county on its way to Covington

See I don't understand this...How is it Trinity and St. X (whom are less than 10 miles apart) can meet in sub state?

 

Also why is just districts 3,4,5,and 6? And don't sell me the spill about travel because had not Fern creek beat Cov Cath BG would traveled right past oldam county on its way to Covington

 

Big T,

 

It's all about the districts and how the cross-bracketing aligns them, which was expressly set up by the KHSAA.

 

The reason X & T meet before the State Championship game is as simple as St X (Male/Manual) is in 6A District 3 while Trinity is in 6A District 4. Those districts are not always aligned to play each other Rounds 1 and 2 of the playoffs (where you play teams from your paired district), but predominantly have been by week 3 or the Regional Final Round.

 

It is interesting to note that next season in 2017 by the way I read the cross-bracketing chart, that St X and Trinity could again meet at the state championship round as St X District 3 will be on the east side of the bracket. This will flip back in 2018. The current cross-bracketing chart only goes through the 2018 football season.

 

Concerning 5A cross-bracketing and not switching districts 1 and 2 and 7 and 8, you'd have to take that up with the KHSAA. However, I can't see it feasible for first and second round games to make teams travel from Letcher County Central to Christian County just to get a running clock game. That doesn't make sense and I would suppose that is why. When you talk about traveling Week 4 in the playoffs teams typically don't care where they have to go. Not the case in Week 1 if they are just trying to get the season over with. Just my 2 cents.

 

I understand Christian County's disdain with this setup. I think it is good the Colonels don't play BG in the regular season next year and potentially only in the playoffs as they will have a very solid veteran team. I don't like it as much in 2018 where County has typically taken it on the chin in the regular season and stormed back to fight hard in the playoff matchup. But still lot to like about football in Christian County right now!

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