Keep the personal shots out of this discussion. If anyone is unable to do that, we will help them.

I'm against Hillary, how does that make me pro- republican or pro-government? Define how I tote a banner for anyone. Freedom and a whole lot less government is my banner. 99% of my posts are not directed to anyone in particular. Ukmf has been fair in his posts. My replies aren't always a reflection of his thoughts or anyones. More of mine. I do love how the libs will spend so much time and effort to defend their "system" against any slight. Knock on the liberal door and they come out in force.

 

Again, this goes both ways. Substitute "Conservatives" for libs and the statement rings equally true.

About you meaning about me or about you? That post didn't clear the bold comment up for me.

 

Seems like your looking for it to be personal, it's not. You inserted yourself for whatever reason?

Seems like your looking for it to be personal, it's not. You inserted yourself for whatever reason?

 

No, not at all trying to make it personal. I am talking about viewpoints. Your viewpoints you post and the viewpoints UKMF has. I have nothing personal against you or any comments you make. I am just stating my viewpoint of your posts, and what I have seen in UKMF's posts. My post was to point out that you are saying people are posting without thinking and following a talking line (the sheep comment) and I was saying UKMF is the furthest person I know of on this site from a sheep. And your posting of memes and other posts seem to be following the right wing talking points.

 

As to interjecting, a disinterested third party opinion never hurts, does it? The more information, the better we all understand situations.

I have friends that are on both sides. What I find most interesting is both sides spend 100% of their efforts posting memes, articles, ect... trying to point why you shouldn't vote for other side while not 1 time making a point as to why you should vote for their side.

 

Don't tell me why I shouldn't vote for Hilary but tell why I should vote for Trump. Why is he the best choice? Same for the other side. Why is Hilary the best option. Not the lesser of two evils, but why will she be a good president.

I have friends that are on both sides. What I find most interesting is both sides spend 100% of their efforts posting memes, articles, ect... trying to point why you shouldn't vote for other side while not 1 time making a point as to why you should vote for their side.

 

Don't tell me why I shouldn't vote for Hilary but tell why I should vote for Trump. Why is he the best choice? Same for the other side. Why is Hilary the best option. Not the lesser of two evils, but why will she be a good president.

You are dead on. IMO, this is partly the reason Trump is climbing in the polls. Trump has recently been talking about the issues and HRC has been talking about how Trump is a bad guy.

I have friends that are on both sides. What I find most interesting is both sides spend 100% of their efforts posting memes, articles, ect... trying to point why you shouldn't vote for other side while not 1 time making a point as to why you should vote for their side.

 

Don't tell me why I shouldn't vote for Hilary but tell why I should vote for Trump. Why is he the best choice? Same for the other side. Why is Hilary the best option. Not the lesser of two evils, but why will she be a good president.

 

See that's the problem with this election. I can't think of one good reason to vote FOR either person and I won't pretend to try. That said I can think of more reasons to vote AGAINST HRC then I can Trump.

See that's the problem with this election. I can't think of one good reason to vote FOR either person and I won't pretend to try. That said I can think of more reasons to vote AGAINST HRC then I can Trump.

I get that but IMO if that is the way you have to look at these two your looking at the wrong 2. When I go to vote it will be for a candidate I believe would be a good president and not for someone I can't stand just to vote against the other side. If that is my only choice I will write in someone or write in None of the Above.

I have friends that are on both sides. What I find most interesting is both sides spend 100% of their efforts posting memes, articles, ect... trying to point why you shouldn't vote for other side while not 1 time making a point as to why you should vote for their side.

 

Don't tell me why I shouldn't vote for Hilary but tell why I should vote for Trump. Why is he the best choice? Same for the other side. Why is Hilary the best option. Not the lesser of two evils, but why will she be a good president.

 

 

Only reason I am - he is not a career politician

I get that but IMO if that is the way you have to look at these two your looking at the wrong 2. When I go to vote it will be for a candidate I believe would be a good president and not for someone I can't stand just to vote against the other side. If that is my only choice I will write in someone or write in None of the Above.

 

I can't throw away my vote and voting for anyone else is doing just that. We'll still have one of these 2 as president and despite what some believe they won't hear the message.

I can't throw away my vote and voting for anyone else is doing just that. We'll still have one of these 2 as president and despite what some believe they won't hear the message.

If you think voting for someone other than the R or D is throwing away you vote then how is voting for anyone other than the winner not throwing away you vote?

If you think voting for someone other than the R or D is throwing away you vote then how is voting for anyone other than the winner not throwing away you vote?

 

I remember Ross Perot. Ross Perot gave us Bill Clinton. Many say that Ralph Nadar gave us GWB. In my eyes a vote for a 3rd party plays to Hillary's favor. Maybe throwing away was not the right word, maybe having exactly the opposite effect of me desire would be more accurate.

 

And the other factor for me is that I really don't care how "loud" a statement the electorate makes the powers that be don't care, as long as the status quo remains.

In some of the poll numbers I am looking at, Gary Johnson is hurting Hillary more than Trump.

Some of the new paths go to the Clinton Foundation.

 

Bob Woodward on Clinton Foundation: "It Is Corrupt" And Clinton Didn't Answer The Questions | Video | RealClearPolitics

 

Bob Woodward called the entanglement of the Foundation, speaking fees, pay4play at the State Department 'corrupt'.

 

BOB WOODWARD, THE WASHINGTON POST: I -- yes, it's a -- it’s corrupt. It's -- it’s a scandal. And she didn't answer your question at all. And she turned to embrace the good work that the Clinton Foundation has done. And she has a case there. But the mixing of speech fees, the Clinton Foundation, and actions by the State Department, which she ran, are all intertwined and it's corrupt. You know, I mean, you can't just say it's unsavory. But there's no formal investigation going on now, and there are outs that they have.

 

Since this interview Woodward was fired by the Washington Post - not announced but he 'no longer works there' based on queries put into the Washington Post.

Why is Obama getting a pass on HRC's private email server? When he was asked about it initially, he said he found out about when the press reports came out. HE BLATANTLY LIED! He not only knew about it, he emailed her at the personal email address 18 times. He should be getting roasted about this.