PepRock01 Posted October 13, 2016 Posted October 13, 2016 A Republican intellectual explains why the Republican Party is going to die - Vox I think this article merits some discussion. There are some points made in here that I definitely can see, not all but some. Again, to clarify before I am attacked, I am not voting for Clinton. Period.
MayfieldFan Posted October 13, 2016 Posted October 13, 2016 Been predicting this since before Trump got the nomination. The article is dead-on accurate...with a few exceptions. The origins of the problem are not Goldwater, imo. I would say the southern strategy, where the Republicans set out to capture white southerners opposed to the civil rights act. The other part of the mix would be Newt's strategy of demonizing opponents. The last part would be the fractured media where people can get news delivered with a confirming bias....the echo chamber. Put all that together and you get the Trump supporters. And like I have said, the party will break apart. Watching it happen on a daily basis.
Clyde Posted October 13, 2016 Posted October 13, 2016 Doomed is a bit much. The R brand does not go well with the demographics of the country. The "brand" doesn't care if it's right or wrong it just IS the brand. Every 4 years that brand seems to stay the same. Hard-core Rs are happy with the policies but, again, it doesn't seem to fit the desires of the changing landscape of voters. However, it's not doomed. The Rs could have won this 2016 POTUS election with almost anyone other than Trump (yes, I'm conceding the election to HRC). So that tells us the demographics are not able to be overcome. It just takes the right person and it depends on how bad the D candidate is (and HRC is bad). Will the R come up with a somewhat moderate candidate that appeals to enough voters in the middle? If so, the R party will once again own the White House. If not, hello Ds.
Mitch Rapp Posted October 13, 2016 Posted October 13, 2016 The GOP's war against conservatives is what will give this election to Hillary Clinton. As Clyde said, almost any other Republican candidate would have beaten Hillary this year. However, Reince Priebus would prefer a Hillary win over a Ted Cruz presidency and when the GOP rigged its nomination process to hand the nomination to Jeb Bush, Trump stepped into that lane and cruised to the nomination. The GOP "intellectuals" keep nominating moderates, keep losing, and keep claiming a more moderate nominee will ensure victory.
mcpapa Posted October 13, 2016 Posted October 13, 2016 I do agree with the premise that angry white men are dwindling as a percentage of the electorate. The GOP needs a significant course correction in order to be relevant in terms of future Presidential elections; with a caveat being that 2020 should be in play with a very flawed Democrat in the White House seeking re-election.
GrantNKY Posted October 13, 2016 Posted October 13, 2016 The party isn't doomed, but Trump coming along really hurt the GOP going forward. The GOP had a chance this election to really establish that young voter base left behind from Obama. Let's face it the young voter base isn't too concerned about policy, they are concerned about likability and the fact that the Dems were going to nominate HRC it was a clear path to that voter base. But Trump came along and literally embodies everything about old white people that the younger generation can't stand. He became more unlikable than HRC and I know I for one didn't think that was possible. That young voter base is either going to abstain from voting or vote for HRC. This puts the GOP candidate in 2020 at a severe disadvantage.
UKMustangFan Posted October 13, 2016 Posted October 13, 2016 I do agree with the premise that angry white men are dwindling as a percentage of the electorate. The GOP needs a significant course correction in order to be relevant in terms of future Presidential elections; with a caveat being that 2020 should be in play with a very flawed Democrat in the White House seeking re-election. I think you've hit on it. The Republican party is very white, and very male. That's not a shot or meant as a negative, just a statement. That demographic is shrinking while others are continuing to rise throughout the country. The party needs to find a way to make ins with other demographics or the party will eventually crumble. 2020 will be the culmination IMO. They have to win the Presidency or the party is probably done for.
Getslow Posted October 13, 2016 Posted October 13, 2016 The GOP's war against conservatives is what will give this election to Hillary Clinton. As Clyde said, almost any other Republican candidate would have beaten Hillary this year. However, Reince Priebus would prefer a Hillary win over a Ted Cruz presidency and when the GOP rigged its nomination process to hand the nomination to Jeb Bush, Trump stepped into that lane and cruised to the nomination. The GOP "intellectuals" keep nominating moderates, keep losing, and keep claiming a more moderate nominee will ensure victory. The problem is that those"intellectuals" are probably right. This still isn't a country that's moved far to the right or left, on the whole. Had the GOP nominated that moderate candidate this year, that person would probably cruise to the White House. As for recent examples, George W. Bush certainly isn't what you would call a radical conservative; he was elected twice. McCain and Romney ran up against something difficult to overcome in the Obama candidacy (especially McCain); Obama mobilized whole sections of voters in ways that hadn't been seen before. In the end, I don't think that the last two elections, in which a Democrat beat a fairly moderate Republican, indicates that what America really wants is someone MORE conservative.
mcpapa Posted October 13, 2016 Posted October 13, 2016 The problem is that those"intellectuals" are probably right. This still isn't a country that's moved far to the right or left, on the whole. Had the GOP nominated that moderate candidate this year, that person would probably cruise to the White House. As for recent examples, George W. Bush certainly isn't what you would call a radical conservative; he was elected twice. McCain and Romney ran up against something difficult to overcome in the Obama candidacy (especially McCain); Obama mobilized whole sections of voters in ways that hadn't been seen before. In the end, I don't think that the last two elections, in which a Democrat beat a fairly moderate Republican, indicates that what America really wants is someone MORE conservative. Agreed.
NKY Bandit Posted October 13, 2016 Posted October 13, 2016 My sense is that most Americans of my age group are more open to other points of view, making it hard to put us in a box.
Voice of Reason Posted October 13, 2016 Posted October 13, 2016 I didn't read the article but here are the first thoughts that came to my mind. 1. Demographics 2. Hate ... the Republican Party looks more and more like a party of hate. For 25 years now, a major part of their strategy is demonizing their opponent. The media - yes the right-wing media, mainly talk radio - has led them down this path and social media has built upon that. The Republican party created Donald Trump over the past 25 years.
Habib Posted October 13, 2016 Posted October 13, 2016 Conservatism, as an ideology, is always going to have a component that privileges the status quo or existing social arrangements. That's a complicated discussion, but it's not the primary explanation for Republican woes.
Starks Posted October 13, 2016 Posted October 13, 2016 I think you've hit on it. The Republican party is very white, and very male. That's not a shot or meant as a negative, just a statement. That demographic is shrinking while others are continuing to rise throughout the country. The party needs to find a way to make ins with other demographics or the party will eventually crumble. 2020 will be the culmination IMO. They have to win the Presidency or the party is probably done for. That explains the #Repealthe19th hashtag that has trended on twitter recently.
Hatz Posted October 13, 2016 Posted October 13, 2016 When the GOP candidate pulls out of Virginia with a month to go and concedes the state to a Democrat is a clear sign that there are deep issues in the Grand Old Party.
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