I agree. I was going to reply but knew it was a lose lose situation.

 

I could say many things . I'll say I simply disagree . Its hard not to keep typing on this one.

 

How do you think black people feel when you call them ignorant for feeling the way they do about the way they have to approach living their lives? When you constantly tell them that what they feel isn't legitimate? You can't possibly know what it's like for PP2 or Deuce. You can't possibly know what it is like for PP2, as the parent of black teenage males. You want to spout some rhetoric about "it doesn't matter" or "race shouldn't matter", when it DOES matter. And there is no possible way for you to know why it matters to PP2. White privilege is the privilege of believing no one is judged based on their race. It's not true, though. What is true is that white people can pretend it doesn't exist, never have to wonder whether their whiteness causes fear in and of itself.

 

No pun intended, but this issue isn't as black and white ad many on here want to make it out to be. And when a man gets shot for unknown reasons, and he's black, then yes, there will be questions. And when people question whether the police were in the right, they aren't trying to simply bash the police. There has to be accountability. If the police expect that we all obey them, then the citizenry needs to have the trust that the police aren't automatically assuming the worst about the citizenry at every turn.

As I stated previously , the intent was not to debate right or wrong. That's a useless proposition.

 

My intent was to show that some people are skeptical of the police accounts. When the original account given to the media said he wouldn't put his hands up and then you see him with his hands up (doesn't matter how long it took for him to get them up - they were up) you can see where some are dubious at best.

 

Step back and ask yourself if you can at LEAST see where they are coming from regardless of your feelings on the legitimacy of this shooting.

Again, you can't tell what he did when they got back to the vehicle. Isn't it possible he put his hands down and that's what they are talking about?

 

Following up on a previous post that indicated different levels of perceived threat by the four officers, was the window down on the passenger's side of the vehicle? The aerial video seems to be that it was up.

 

If (key) that is determined to be true and you have other officers who by words or deeds didn't seem AS threatened as the shooting officer then an attorney is going to ask how quickly the victim could have opened the door, reached in to grab the gun, and then turn back around to shoot. While I'm sure it's faster than any of us realize or faster than any of us want to chance it will make it a challenge to prove imminent death fears being realistic.

 

Again - she COULD have been 100% correct in what she claimed about him reaching and her perceived level of threat BUT an attorney is going to put her and the force through every second of this episode.

They were on the drivers side of the vehicle so what does it matter if the passenger side was up or down?

PCP was found in the truck.

 

Interesting but irrelevant in regards to good or bad shoot.

They were on the drivers side of the vehicle so what does it matter if the passenger side was up or down?

 

My fault. I edited the original post. Thanks.

Again, you can't tell what he did when they got back to the vehicle. Isn't it possible he put his hands down and that's what they are talking about?

 

 

Just going by what the police department told the press.

 

 

Police spokeswoman Jeanne MacKenzie has said the shooting occurred after an officer stopped to investigate an SUV stopped in the middle of a street and Crutcher approached two officers who arrived to assist.

 

MacKenzie said Crutcher refused orders to put up his hands and was shot when he reached inside the SUV, which was his.

My fault. I edited the original post. Thanks.

I tried watching on my phone and it was tough to tell. Good point if the window is up.

Just going by what the police department told the press.

 

 

Police spokeswoman Jeanne MacKenzie has said the shooting occurred after an officer stopped to investigate an SUV stopped in the middle of a street and Crutcher approached two officers who arrived to assist.

 

MacKenzie said Crutcher refused orders to put up his hands and was shot when he reached inside the SUV, which was his.

Right. He puts hands up, walks to vehicle, puts hands down, is given an order to put them up, doesn't, tries reaching in vehicle.

Right. He puts hands up, walks to vehicle, puts hands down, is given an order to put them up, doesn't, tries reaching in vehicle.

 

Well, we don't KNOW that he put his hands down. The fact that we don't know is exactly the point I'm making - perception. If you already suspect the police do a CYA and you then see this you just shake your head. It's all about perspective. Yours isn't theirs.

Maybe this has already been said in the couple hundred posts so far (and forgive me if it has), but if there was a gun found in the vehicle, would we view this incident any differently?

PCP was found in the truck.

 

Interesting but irrelevant in regards to good or bad shoot.

 

Dealing with anyone on PCP is terrifying

Dealing with anyone on PCP is terrifying

 

No question.

 

Still boils down to someone believing her account that he lowered his hands and he was a threat to her safety. PCP is anecdotal at best.

No question.

 

Still boils down to someone believing her account that he lowered his hands and he was a threat to her safety. PCP is anecdotal at best.

 

Unless he was under the influence at the time. For the sake of how many officers were on scene of a motorist assist, I'm gonna at least say it's quite possible he was on PCP at the time.

Unless he was under the influence at the time. For the sake of how many officers were on scene of a motorist assist, I'm gonna at least say it's quite possible he was on PCP at the time.

 

Highly possible but I still think it's only anecdotal.

Highly possible but I still think it's only anecdotal.

 

I respectfully disagree. The actions of someone on it is intense. I went hands on with a guy on it once. I had 50-60 lbs on him and most of that weight difference was muscle and it was crazy. Guy broke my cuffs.just saying someone on PCP could escalate things.

Well, we don't KNOW that he put his hands down. The fact that we don't know is exactly the point I'm making - perception. If you already suspect the police do a CYA and you then see this you just shake your head. It's all about perspective. Yours isn't theirs.

Gotcha and I didn't say he put his hands down. Everyone is assuming the officers are lying because there he is on video with his hands up. I was simply laying out a situation that could explain them saying he wouldn't put his hands up.